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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul
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 Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: getting a really good uni job |
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So there are shite jobs, good jobs and great jobs at universities here.
I've seen some great ones (read - shite), no housing, no air fare, no bonus, 20 hours a week, 2 weeks vacation, 1.9 mil.
Some really good ones, 300,000 housing allowance, no air fare, no bonus, but 15 hours a week, 5 months vacation, office, 2.5 mil
Then there are those great ones, 3.6 mil, 9-12 hours per week, 5 months paid vacation. Master's degree 100% needed.
The question is, how hard is it to get these jobs? And what degree do people who actually work there have? |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: |
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It's not necessarily difficult to get the jobs and I know a lot of people who have good gigs but aren't that qualified or actually good at teaching; I also know a lot of people who are that qualified and are good teachers.
Essentially, scope out which schools you like and target those. Generally schools choose the seemingly best (an amorphous and evolving continuum) candidates out of those who apply.
So, here's the formula:
quality of candidates < your quality = job |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Who pays 3.6 million for 15 hours a week? In Seoul or in the sticks? |
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DCJames
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| Who pays 3.6 million for 15 hours a week? In Seoul or in the sticks? |
I've NEVER heard of a uni job that pays that much for 9-12 hours a week. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| DCJames wrote: |
| I've NEVER heard of a uni job that pays that much for 9-12 hours a week. |
I have.
The tenure track positions all do (usually 6 hours a week), but there aren't a whole lot of those.
Some of the non-tenure track EFL positions do, although the ones I know don't start out that high, after a couple or three years of raises, they get there. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:04 am Post subject: Re: getting a really good uni job |
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Korea University's Jochiwon campus offers very attractive terms. 16 hours a week for about 3.5 a month, plus a few hours overtime should bring you in about 3.8. I know several people there and the work environment is quite relaxed. People often stay there for years, though they are changing the rules to a two year maximum for foreign professors. In addition to salary, they offer hefty hourly rates if you choose to work a month in the summer and winter. (I think it's optional) If you do, you will still have three months vacation. You definitely need a masters - they only sponsor E-1, I believe. You can save 30,000,000 won a year without too much trouble.They are hiring now:
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=33549
The downside? Errr....Jochiwon is not exactly the nightlife capital of Asia. Umm...the hiking is great, though 
| earthbound14 wrote: |
So there are shite jobs, good jobs and great jobs at universities here.
I've seen some great ones (read - shite), no housing, no air fare, no bonus, 20 hours a week, 2 weeks vacation, 1.9 mil.
Some really good ones, 300,000 housing allowance, no air fare, no bonus, but 15 hours a week, 5 months vacation, office, 2.5 mil
Then there are those great ones, 3.6 mil, 9-12 hours per week, 5 months paid vacation. Master's degree 100% needed.
The question is, how hard is it to get these jobs? And what degree do people who actually work there have? |
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SFAcoustic
Joined: 04 Jul 2008
Location: NYC
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| And I have been wondering for some time: does this have to be a Master's in English or TEFL? For example, my M.S. is in Biology. Would this fulfill the Master's requirement? |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: Re: getting a really good uni job |
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| Trevor wrote: |
Korea University's Jochiwon campus offers very attractive terms. 16 hours a week for about 3.5 a month, plus a few hours overtime should bring you in about 3.8. I know several people there and the work environment is quite relaxed. People often stay there for years, though they are changing the rules to a two year maximum for foreign professors. In addition to salary, they offer hefty hourly rates if you choose to work a month in the summer and winter. (I think it's optional) If you do, you will still have three months vacation. You definitely need a masters - they only sponsor E-1, I believe. You can save 30,000,000 won a year without too much trouble.They are hiring now:
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=33549
The downside? Errr....Jochiwon is not exactly the nightlife capital of Asia. Umm...the hiking is great, though
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Aside from living in the sticks, there's a huge difference here between minimum salary and possible salary. Sure, many uni teachers can make 3.5-4.5 a month, but they are trading valuable vacation for intensive English programs, usually requiring more teaching during those programs than they teach during the regular semesters.
I figure any teacher in Korea can make 3.6 a month with limited vacation and either overtime or privates. |
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jlb
Joined: 18 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Most teachers at my uni make between 3-4 mill a month (with some overtime during the semester and camps during the breaks), complete with the free housing and 5 months vacation and all that. We are definitely out in the sticks though.
How to get the good job? Network! Go to Kotesol, make a wide variety of friends apart from your hagwon coworkers  They will probably not be able to help you find the sweet job in your second year. Get a Masters, in almost anything, but ESL related preferably. Put together a crazy impressive application package and scour the job sites compulsively. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| jlb wrote: |
Most teachers at my uni make between 3-4 mill a month (with some overtime during the semester and camps during the breaks), complete with the free housing and 5 months vacation and all that. We are definitely out in the sticks though.
How to get the good job? Network! Go to Kotesol, make a wide variety of friends apart from your hagwon coworkers They will probably not be able to help you find the sweet job in your second year. Get a Masters, in almost anything, but ESL related preferably. Put together a crazy impressive application package and scour the job sites compulsively. |
Most top universities don't provide housing, do they? And there are 5 months (or slightly less) of paid vacation, but that's at the minimum rate. 5 months of vacation means no overtime if you choose not to do the special English programs, and that's 5 months of the minimum rate.
(not trying to start shit with you jlb, just clarifying) |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like a con-artist asking how to make the big score. Pathetic.
Want a really good university job? Get higher degrees and get involved in your dicipline. Duh. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| jlb wrote: |
Most teachers at my uni make between 3-4 mill a month (with some overtime during the semester and camps during the breaks), complete with the free housing and 5 months vacation and all that. We are definitely out in the sticks though.
How to get the good job? Network! Go to Kotesol, make a wide variety of friends apart from your hagwon coworkers They will probably not be able to help you find the sweet job in your second year. Get a Masters, in almost anything, but ESL related preferably. Put together a crazy impressive application package and scour the job sites compulsively. |
Most top universities don't provide housing, do they? And there are 5 months (or slightly less) of paid vacation, but that's at the minimum rate. 5 months of vacation means no overtime if you choose not to do the special English programs, and that's 5 months of the minimum rate.
(not trying to start shit with you jlb, just clarifying) |
But there are universities where 3.5 is the minimum rate. So, during those 5 vacation months, you are still getting 3.5. |
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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| Who pays 3.6 million for 15 hours a week? In Seoul or in the sticks? |
Seoul Nat is one of em. |
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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
| DCJames wrote: |
| I've NEVER heard of a uni job that pays that much for 9-12 hours a week. |
I have.
The tenure track positions all do (usually 6 hours a week), but there aren't a whole lot of those.
Some of the non-tenure track EFL positions do, although the ones I know don't start out that high, after a couple or three years of raises, they get there. |
Some of the top Universities in Seoul start that high. Usually universities that compare with reasonable quality foreign universities. The kind of place where you might actually need to be as qualified as someone back home who teaches at a university.......not sure though, that's why I asked |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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SNU? Since WHEN? They USED to pay that, but then they gutted the program and lowered the pay along with their standards. Now the pay is 2.5 with no raises over the course of the three years they let you be there before you get the boot.
I had a LOT of friends in the department there, and they ALL left for greener pastures. |
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