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230,000 Koreans Illegally Staying in United States
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RJjr



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The number of South Koreans compared to Mexicans is surprisingly high considering the following:

1. The harsh poverty in Mexico compared to the high standard of living in South Korea.

2. South Koreans have to cross the Pacific Ocean to enter America. Mexicans only have to cross a barbed wire fence.

3. The population of Mexico is 2.3 times the population of South Korea.

Anyway, I welcome everyone to America. More people means more ladies.
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea has a highly educated workforce, and place a huge emphasis on education and social harmony. Illegal Koreans in the US aren't going to cause me to lose any sleep because they're a "model minority" (a cliche but true). They take care of their own bs and contribute in highly skilled sectors of society.

Whether or not this is germane to this particular forum is up to the mods; my point stands that Korean society largely sucks if you're Korean and not fabulously wealthy. Also, Koreans have a massive 'other' complex.
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mises



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe they can lower the price of Korean food now? Economies of scale have got to kick in at some point. I spent 16$ on a kimchi stew a few weeks back. It was KimBab Chungook quality!
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PBRstreetgang21



Joined: 19 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe they can lower the price of Korean food now? Economies of scale have got to kick in at some point. I spent 16$ on a kimchi stew a few weeks back. It was KimBab Chungook quality!


Amen to that. Korean food is way expensive in the west. Hell Sojus is ten bucks! That defeats the purpose of soju.

I remember paying 22 bucks from samgyupsal once and thinking, if I was in Korea this would be one the worst restaurants in town.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans who come to the US are probably more sympathetic to the US than a lot of Americans.
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PBRstreetgang21



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Koreans who come to the US are probably more sympathetic to the US than a lot of Americans.


HAHAHAHA

Ive encountered more racism from Koreans in America than Koreans in Korea.

Most Koreans in America, even the ones who have become citizens, generally consider themselves Koreans first and Americans second. I have always gotten the impression hanging around gyopos and Korean immigrants that there is a greater insecurity about who they were in a foreign land than most koreans in korea, who while occasionally neurotic tend to be more comfortable in their own skin.

Even gyopos I know that have been born n bred in the States tend to have a severe fish out of water feeling.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PBRstreetgang21 wrote:
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Koreans who come to the US are probably more sympathetic to the US than a lot of Americans.


HAHAHAHA

Ive encountered more racism from Koreans in America than Koreans in Korea.

Most Koreans in America, even the ones who have become citizens, generally consider themselves Koreans first and Americans second. I have always gotten the impression hanging around gyopos and Korean immigrants that there is a greater insecurity about who they were in a foreign land than most koreans in korea, who while occasionally neurotic tend to be more comfortable in their own skin.

Even gyopos I know that have been born n bred in the States tend to have a severe fish out of water feeling.


Sad to say a lot of Americans are like that . America is the least racist country in the world but it is still a very racist place.
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PBRstreetgang21



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we have our issues with race for sure but America is also one of the most integrated countries on earth. I think the racism especially that of the south is often a charactiture and not very often reality. Some of the most racially itegrated parts of the country are the south. I think America probably has some of the best race relations in the world. We have our issues but ultimately our problems get attention more than our success.

When Barack Obama was born he was born into a land of segregation, now he is one of two men slated to be the next president. Thats progress and thats quick. If he is elected, he wont just be America's first black president he will be the first black president of any country in the western world.

We have our issues, but I think we are far more integrated than we are divided. America has despite a large minority of ethnocentrists, managed to be a world leader in integration.

The most inter-racial marriages Ive ever seen in my life have been when I was in Georgia, not NYC.
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Pooty



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember, 230,000 is the known reported number of Korean illegals. Wife said Korean news reports that the govt. estimates the real number to be more like a million.
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mises



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pooty wrote:
Remember, 230,000 is the known reported number of Korean illegals. Wife said Korean news reports that the govt. estimates the real number to be more like a million.


The Manhattan institute (I think) recently did a large survey on how different communities integrate into the United States. If I remember correctly, Koreans were behind only Canadians in their acceptance of American values, patriotism and fiscal/educational outcomes.

But seriously, the food is way overpriced. How about giving back to your new country with some affordable galbi.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

US Visa Waiver for Koreans to Begin in January

South Koreans will be able to visit the United States for up to three months visa-free beginning mid-January, after the two countries struck a deal on details of Seoul's joining the U.S. Visa Waiver Program (VWP), the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade in Seoul said Thursday.

Foreign Minister Yu Myung-hwan and U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff signed a deal Wednesday in Washington, D.C. on exchanging information on suspected criminals, which had been considered the last hurdle for South Korea's bid for the VWP.

``Following the latest deal between Yu and Chertoff, the Ministry of Government Legislation and related agencies will review the agreement. After that, the two governments are scheduled to sign a final deal,'' ministry spokesman Moon Tae-young told reporters.

The government later will request approval of the visa waiver deal from the National Assembly, Moon said. The United States is expected to announce the new members of the VWP in mid-October and put into effect the visa waiver for the accepted nations, including South Korea, in mid-January, said the spokesman.

At a press conference in Washington, D.C., Minister Yu said he and Chertoff concluded detailed procedures on exchanging criminal records of known suspects so immigration authorities of the two sides could access such information automatically at airports.

He said the automatic inquiry system does not provide detailed criminal records but would confirm in the form of a yes or no if someone has been involved in a certain type of crime.

``Only a handful of people are subjected to the system, and also the system is reciprocal,'' Yu said, adding that a certain number of Americans are also affected.

Some South Korean lawyers claim that sharing criminal records of citizens is in violation of basic human rights, while Washington insists it is one of the basic standards to be met by those countries wanting to join the VWP to help protect American nationals and interests from terrorists or criminals.

South Korea began issuing electronic passports to citizens last month to help get the U.S. visa waiver status. Issuance of the ``e-passport'' is a key precondition to the country's joining the VWP under which South Koreans will be able to visit the United States for up to three months without pre-obtaining a visa.

Those who want to stay in the United States longer than three months are required to obtain visas. The back cover of the e-passport contains an embedded microchip carrying the holder's basic personal information, including date of birth and any criminal record, to help deter forgery.

http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/09/205_31657.html
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PBRstreetgang21 wrote:
we have our issues with race for sure but America is also one of the most integrated countries on earth. I think the racism especially that of the south is often a charactiture and not very often reality. Some of the most racially itegrated parts of the country are the south. I think America probably has some of the best race relations in the world. We have our issues but ultimately our problems get attention more than our success.

When Barack Obama was born he was born into a land of segregation, now he is one of two men slated to be the next president. Thats progress and thats quick. If he is elected, he wont just be America's first black president he will be the first black president of any country in the western world.

We have our issues, but I think we are far more integrated than we are divided. America has despite a large minority of ethnocentrists, managed to be a world leader in integration.

The most inter-racial marriages Ive ever seen in my life have been when I was in Georgia, not NYC.



AGREED 10000% Wink
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pooty wrote:
Remember, 230,000 is the known reported number of Korean illegals. Wife said Korean news reports that the govt. estimates the real number to be more like a million.


Wouldn't surprise me. The USA is a great place to live. HONEST Koreans will admit that that.Wink
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sojusucks



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a class back in college on illegal migration. It was quite interesting and usually consists of people migrating from poorer countries to richer countries (or to better economic areas in the same country). Yes, I realize that this is only one of many factors.

Example:
When a few port cities in China were open for foreign trade, Chinese living in the middle of China migrated to these richer port cities and the citizens in the port cities (undermined by sources of cheaper labor) went to other countries.

Has anyone seen anything like this to explain the situation in Korea? I can understand China and Mexico but aren't things supposed to be "just peachy" in Korea?
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojusucks wrote:

Has anyone seen anything like this to explain the situation in Korea? I can understand China and Mexico but aren't things supposed to be "just peachy" in Korea?


There are also tens of thousands of illegal Italians and Irish, among other Western Europeans that arrive every year and work/live illegally. America is a serious draw.
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So you think the world is anti-American? Then there is an interesting question that made it into the Reader�s Digest global presidential poll (which Obama wins by a landslide). Here is the proportion who would be interested in moving to America if economic and political barriers were non-existent:

Germany 20%

Brazil 31%

Spain 32%

France 52%

Netherlands 55%

South Africa 65%

India 73%

No. That was not a typo. 52% of the French.

Looks like the rest of the world is very much like Americans: They hate Washington, but love America.

http://www.johannorberg.net/?page=displayblog&month=10&year=2008#2913
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