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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Venezuela nabs suspected coup plotters

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:47:56 GMT


Two suspects have been arrested during an investigation into an alleged plot to assassinate President Hugo Chavez and launch a military coup.

The suspects were detained in the state of Zulia, 500 kilometers (310 miles) west of Caracas with an arsenal that included a rocket launcher, hand grenades and ammunition, Venezuelan Interior Minister Tarek El Aissami said on Wednesday.

El Aissami did not identify the suspects, but did say that they were Venezuelan nationals.

He said the rocket launcher was a Carl-Gustaf model, a bazooka-like weapon commonly referred to as an anti-tank recoilless rifle. Venezuela's military does not have such weapons, El Aissami said.

Prosecutors are investigating a coup plot allegedly planned by active and retired military officers and supported by the opposition media and the US government.

The US government has been trying to overthrow Chavez; in 2002, Chavez survived a US-backed 47-hour coup.
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Jandar



Joined: 11 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Venezuela ousts rights workers after they issue critical report

September 20, 2008 -- Updated 0739 GMT

(CNN) -- The Venezuelan government has expelled two Human Rights Watch staffers and ordered them not to return, the group said Friday.
Jose Miguel Vivanco was kicked out of Venezuela after issuing a report critical of the country's president.


The men were kicked out of Venezuela on Thursday night, hours after issuing a report in the capital of Caracas that asserted that the 10-year rule of President Hugo Chavez has weakened democratic institutions in the country.

Jose Miguel Vivanco, Americas director at Human Rights Watch, and Americas deputy director Daniel Wilkinson were confronted at their hotel and given a letter accusing them of anti-state activities, the organization said Friday.

"Their cell phones were confiscated, and their requests to be allowed to contact their embassies were denied," the group said in a written statement. "They were put into cars, taken to the airport and put on a plane to S�o Paulo, Brazil, where they landed this morning."

"This is the first time this has happened in the Americas," said Conor Fortune, a press officer for the group. "The events basically prove many of the points made in the report: that Venezuela is still a very repressive country under Chavez."

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/19/venezuela.critics/index.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/19/venezuela.critics/index.html#cnnSTCVideo[/b]
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Venezuela and Cuba have enacted some pretty repressive mutual legislation. For example, if anyone in Cuba speaks against the Venezuelan government, he can be brought to Venezuela and tried there, EVEN a Cuban who has never left his country before! I think it works vice versa, too.

I suppose that is one way they can get to travel. Very Happy


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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ouch, Laughing

Bucheonbum scored some good points in my reading of this topic.

Laughing Hey BB, don't let idiots rile you. That was the first time I have ever read anything from you that made me seem you were a little ticked.

I respect you as in all the time I have read this forum, you are at the top of my list in knowing certain issues well, arguing them well and being nice about it.

Don't burn them too bad, they wont come back for more.

Laughing
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bangbayed



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
bangbayed wrote:

5. Even having knowledge of an anti-democratic coup taking place and not doing anything about it is tantamount to indirectly supporting it (the same way that if I knew someone was going to rob your house and didn't tell you about it, maybe because I think you're a d*ck, is tantamount to me indirectly supporting it).

6. To take the robbery analogy further, if I loudly espoused a policy of protecting people from household crime, and let this happen, would you not call me a hypocrite?


Sure, but I'd also chuckle and think that the neighbor must have been a real asshole.


Read carefully if you can. It's your house he's robbing from. Chuckle away.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so i'm venezuela? Oh well, then I'd have to look in the mirror now wouldn't I? Think I'd get a hint that I wasn't well-liked.
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bangbayed



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually -- and this is really just according to your response -- you're the asshole.
Personally I think you're a swell guy though. Don't be so hard on yourself. Very Happy
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bangbayed wrote:
Actually -- and this is really just according to your response -- you're the asshole.
Personally I think you're a swell guy though. Don't be so hard on yourself. Very Happy


Uh yes, I know. That was my point: I was the asshole.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bangbayed wrote:
Actually -- and this is really just according to your response -- you're the asshole.
Personally I think you're a swell guy though. Don't be so hard on yourself. Very Happy


Cuba, Venezeula, what do these two countries have in common?

Wealthy and large emigre communities en los Estados Unidos.

Viva Diversity.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
: Destabilizing the Opposition
Stratfor Today � October 2, 2008 | 1750 GMT

JUAN BARRETO/AFP/Getty Images
Venezuelan students protest in Caracas in May 2008Prominent Venezuelan student leader Julio Soto, an outspoken critic of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and a member of the opposition party Copei, was killed Oct. 1 in Venezuela�s Maracaibo state. In what was almost certainly a targeted assassination, Soto was shot to death by multiple assailants while driving in his car with other student leaders. The attack appears to have been well-planned, as the shooters were able to pinpoint Soto�s location and take him out with very little collateral damage.

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Soto�s assassination is the latest in a series of targeted attacks on government critics and media representatives in Venezuela. One of the most prominent recent assassination attempts was made on former Venezuelan Defense Minister Gen. Raul Isaias Baduel, an outspoken critic (and former staunch ally) of Chavez. Like Soto, Baduel was shot at while driving in his car, but Baduel managed to get away. The intensifying campaign against student leaders and the media indicates the degree to which political dissent in Venezuela will not be tolerated.

Tensions are ramping up in Venezuela as the oil-rich South American country�s local and municipal-level elections, slated for Nov. 23, approach. The elections � Venezuela�s first since Chavez lost a constitutional referendum in December 2006 � have become crucial for Chavez. A few months ago, the loosely organized and previously unpopular opposition parties began making major gains in public opinion as Venezuela�s economy began souring and Chavez�s socialist policies came under fire. With this in mind, Chavez has gone so far as to have the courts ban 272 opposition politicians from running for office, charging them with corruption.

Chavez has also moved to strengthen the central government ahead of the elections, including implementing a series of reforms rejected in the 2006 constitution vote. Most recently, Chavez � with the help of the National Assembly � enacted the Organic Law for the Organization and Management of the Territory, which gives the central government control over local and state-level governments. In doing so, Chavez effectively negates any gains the opposition leaders might achieve if they are able to score seats in the upcoming election.

Though it is impossible to say who specifically was responsible for Soto�s death, the systematic targeting of opposition leaders and critics points to Chavez. He stands to gain the most from a cowed opposition, and his �Chavista� supporters are well-supplied with Russian light arms � primarily Kalashnikov rifles � and locally organized into small militias. They are the perfect tool for decentralized campaigns against oppositionists, even if not authorized by Chavez directly.

Chavez intends to maintain control in any way he can. These assassinations and attempted assassinations are a key way to intimidate the opposition leaders Chavez has not been able to hamstring otherwise. Chavez�s increasingly authoritarian policies will help the opposition band together, theoretically. But the opposition�s avenues of action are being sharply curtailed at every turn, and the increased threat of death will keep opposition leaders off balance.



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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In October 2000, Nick Rockefeller told Aaron Russo that there was going to be "an event that would allow us to invade Afghanistan and Iraq" - and Venezuela!

Watch it here.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This may make it more likely.

Venezuela proposes founding world oil bank

Venezuelan Minister of Planning and Development Haiman El Troudi added that Iran, Russia and Venezuela have so far announced their preparedness to set up the entity.

Venezuelan Minister of Planning and Development Haiman El Troudi on Sunday quoted President Hugo Chavez as proposing establishment of world oil bank.

Following a meeting with Iran's Industries and Mines Minister Ali Akbar Mehrabian, he further added that Iran, Russia and Venezuela have so far announced their preparedness to set up the entity.

"Iran and Venezuela have taken numerous steps for promoting the level of ties, including setting up of joint fund and bank," he said, adding that many of Iranian companies are currently implementing different projects in Venezuela.

Iran-Venezuela ties are currently at the best level and powerful countries which intended to mount pressure on them are now on the verge of collapse, Troudi said.

"We want to show to the world how the two countries are cooperating with each other," he said.

Mehrabian, for his part, said that several months ago, the two countries designed the plan for extension of Apure-Orinoco road and Iran conducted necessary studies and presented the results to that country.

The plan was warmly welcomed by President Chavez, Mehrabian said.

Stating that studies on the road will continue, he said, "We seek to sign an agreement on the extension of the road."

Tehran-Caracas ties are deep-rooted and their presidents are firm in further deepening them, he said. --IRNA
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RJjr



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like Iceland is going to be moved up to the front of the invasion schedule now that they've reached full-blown terrorist status. If we're serious about the War on Terror and if we're going to either be with the British or against them... Laughing

This website shows how psychologically unstable the English-speaking countries have become: http://www.indefence.is/postcards.php Calling Iceland terrorists? Just a decade ago, that would've been unthinkable. Now, it's not even a surprise.
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