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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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WHAT!?  They didn't need an 'eye in the sky.'
By intercepting communications, of course. That's what they were doing to the soviets. The USS Liberty's mission was to spy on Soviets in the area. |
How would they know what Israel was doing with the Egyptian soldiers? How would they know the difference between fighting and a massacre assuming there were communications on the subject. How could a communications ship get the details of a massacre.
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By the way the NSA says there are no other tapes of the incident. |
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Yeah, but witnesses of the time are on record disputing that. |
Well then with the freedom of information act try to get more tapes. Others have tried and the answer from the NSA was there are no more tapes. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:52 am Post subject: |
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WHAT!? They didn't need an 'eye in the sky.'
By intercepting communications, of course. That's what they were doing to the soviets. The USS Liberty's mission was to spy on Soviets in the area. |
How would they know what Israel was doing with the Egyptian soldiers? How would they know the difference between fighting and a massacre assuming there were communications on the subject. How could a communications ship get the details of a massacre.
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By listening to the IDF communicating to each other presumably. That's how they were using the ship for spying on Soviets. But anyway, the USS Liberty wasn't engaged in listening to the IDF - there wasn't a Hebrew Linguist aboard. But the Israelis weren't to know that.
This ought to be the topic of its own thread, Joo. Perhaps you can start one. I'm not interested in discussing it anymore - too many other pressing things to do. It's an interesting topic though, I must admit.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:55 am Post subject: |
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"Big_Bird"][qu
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WHAT!? They didn't need an 'eye in the sky.'
By intercepting communications, of course. That's what they were doing to the soviets. The USS Liberty's mission was to spy on Soviets in the area. |
How would they know what Israel was doing with the Egyptian soldiers? How would they know the difference between fighting and a massacre assuming there were communications on the subject. How could a communications ship get the details of a massacre.
By listening to the IDF communicating to each other presumably. But anyway, the USS Liberty wasn't engaged in that - there wasn't a Hebrew Linguist aboard. But the Israelis weren't to know that.
This ought to be the topic of its own thread, Joo. Perhaps you can start one. I'm not interested in discussing it anymore - too many other pressing things to do. It's an interesting topic though, I must admit. |
You mean Israel would be ordering the whole thing . They would put the whole massacre on the radio, even though they took the time to get their pilots to "cover up" everything. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: |
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"Big_Bird"][qu
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WHAT!? They didn't need an 'eye in the sky.'
By intercepting communications, of course. That's what they were doing to the soviets. The USS Liberty's mission was to spy on Soviets in the area. |
How would they know what Israel was doing with the Egyptian soldiers? How would they know the difference between fighting and a massacre assuming there were communications on the subject. How could a communications ship get the details of a massacre.
By listening to the IDF communicating to each other presumably. But anyway, the USS Liberty wasn't engaged in that - there wasn't a Hebrew Linguist aboard. But the Israelis weren't to know that.
This ought to be the topic of its own thread, Joo. Perhaps you can start one. I'm not interested in discussing it anymore - too many other pressing things to do. It's an interesting topic though, I must admit. |
You mean Israel would be ordering the whole thing . They would put the whole massacre on the radio, even though they took the time to get their pilots to "cover up" everything. |
God knows Joo. You go and do your own detective work. As I've said, the USS Liberty crew were not engaged in that. The theory is that the Israelis thought they could be. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:14 am Post subject: |
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That is the theory - the conspiracy theory.
How would a boat get the details enough to know the difference between fighting and a massare?
And why would Israel care so much that the US knew. In 1967 Israel was mainly supplied with military equipment by France not the US. In 1967 Israel was not a large recipient of US aid.
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| Were Israel's security interests paramount in the eyes of American policymakers, U.S. aid to Israel would have been highest in the early years of the existence of the Jewish state, when its democratic institutions were strongest and its strategic situation most vulnerable, and would have declined as its military power grew dramatically and its repression against Palestinians in the occupied territories increased. Instead, the trend has been in just the opposite direction: major U.S. military and economic aid did not begin until after the 1967 war. Indeed, 99% of U.S. military assistance to Israel since its establishment came only after Israel proved itself to be far stronger than any combination of Arab armies and after Israeli occupation forces became the rulers of a large Palestinian population |
http://www.fpif.org/papers/usisrael.html |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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get bored of listening to people who seem oblivious to the fact it is the Palestinians who are living under a horrible military occupation, and seem to talk as if they should behave to an even higher standard than their own occupiers! It's quite bizzare really - perhaps this is why the conflict always rather fascinated me. But when I listen to people like you, I can't help going
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I am not expecting a higher standard just the same standard or an acceptance that the standard they use against others can be used against them.
Therefore, if a Palestinian or an Israeli feels its ok to kill a man, woman or child they should not be concerned if the same standard is held to them.
So long as Palestinians or Israelis who support and use violence against a people of another religion get killed, I am not going to shed tears. My tears are shed for those who do not believe in violence or who believe in some sort of accommodation who are killed for not supporting violence.
Though in your case its hypocritical to accuse one state of using violence against a citizen population while supporting anothers right to do so.
Gaza is a currently a de-facto state and Hamas is a de facto government. Let them focus on their own problems before they target others.
Though, considering the amount of money that has been provided to support violent resistence in the occupied territories while seemingly unable to provide citizenship papers to the refugees from said area.
I have to sometimes wonder why my country should care about their problems when supposedly the Middle Eastern countries don't even care enough to provide them a great place to live and this has been going on for 50 years.
I asked my friends that once, if you are so sure that Israel will be destroyed, why don't you give the Palestinians citizenship and equal rights until the day you destroy Israel - I never got an answer. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| God knows Joo. You go and do your own detective work. As I've said, the USS Liberty crew were not engaged in that. The theory is that the Israelis thought they could |
translation: don't bother me with questions I can't answer. I've already given you a conspiracy theory by chomsky and that settles it. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| God knows Joo. You go and do your own detective work. As I've said, the USS Liberty crew were not engaged in that. The theory is that the Israelis thought they could |
translation: don't bother me with questions I can't answer. I've already given you a conspiracy theory by chomsky and that settles it. |
No, translation: I've got much better things to do. I'm not going to spend time providing information that anyone can find for themselves. And while the topic is interesting, it is not interesting enough for me to spend hours here neglecting my children and postgraduate study for it. Anyone who knows Joo knows that you can go around in circles for days and days, and Joo will always believe whatever he so dearly wants to believe. There is nothing to be gained by me wasting my time arguing for hours and hours on Daves.
I ought to stick to what you do Postie, swooping in for a few effortless moments here and there, to make childish snide or sarcastic attacks. |
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Big_Bird
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Though in your case its hypocritical to accuse one state of using violence against a citizen population while supporting anothers right to do so. |
Sorry, but you seem to think this is about religion. It's about land. And yes, I believe (along with international law) that an occupied people have the right to use violence to repel their invaders. I believe they have that right (which is enshrined in International Law btw), and I would support the people of England taking up arms against anyone who tried to invade us, and steal England from us. If you came to my home Summer Wine, and tried to beat my kids, and steal our possessions, damn right I would punch your bloody lights out! So don't even consider it, OK? THAT WAS A JOKE, PEOPLE.
If the Palestinians were today invading, occupying and settling Israel within the green line, I'd have the same condemnation for them. They are not.
If one Mr X goes to Mr Y's house and beats the Y family with the intent to and rob their possessions, I do not think it hypocritical for someone to condemn Mr X's violence, while accepting Mr Y's right to use violence to fight back to protect his home and his family.
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| Gaza is a currently a de-facto state and Hamas is a de facto government. Let them focus on their own problems before they target others. |
I think you have no clue about what is going on there. None whatsoever. And again I am not going to waste time informing the uninformed. I'd just spend my life on Dave's, if I were to try that. |
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