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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: Elementary 6th grade Class |
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http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=rdXrFzizACg
This is a typical day. It is probably noisier than that. Some of the kids were a little shy of the camera. Thats not even my worst class. I'll film a short clip of them another day.
I'm not looking for any advice. No matter what you say, nothing will work on these kids.
Just imagine going through an entire day with that noise. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Could you post the title of the vid or the link through Youtube Ireland or Japan (all other youtube sites are banned by my school's net nanny). Thanks a lot.
BTW, I should have made a video of how great my grade 1 MS students were today. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Could you post the title of the vid or the link through Youtube Ireland or Japan (all other youtube sites are banned by my school's net nanny). Thanks a lot.
BTW, I should have made a video of how great my grade 1 MS students were today. |
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=rdXrFzizACg |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| 90% of the Ss aren't listening to the teacher. Why is the teacher talking soooo loud? |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| spliff wrote: |
| 90% of the Ss aren't listening to the teacher. Why is the teacher talking soooo loud? |
Its because there are 1 or 2 students in the back that are still paying attention in class. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Could you post the title of the vid or the link through Youtube Ireland or Japan (all other youtube sites are banned by my school's net nanny). Thanks a lot.
BTW, I should have made a video of how great my grade 1 MS students were today. |
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=rdXrFzizACg |
What is the purpose of carrying on teaching a class like that? If my students get like that I immediately stop and glare at the ones who are chatting by themselves. If they still don't get the point or if I have to do it a few times the ones who won't shut up find themselves kneeling outside. On that videotape I can't understand a bloody thing the teacher is saying but can pick out what some of the kids nearest the camera are saying. What incentive is there even for the better students to try to follow?
If a whole class is like that (and that only happens to me when I'm shifting from pairs / group work to whole class activity) one thing that can work is to do some listen-and-repeat drills just for the sake of getting everyone on the same page and paying attention. If it's something a whole class won't stop then it's time to have the whole class hold their hands up in the air in silence for a few minutes.
I don't know who needs a good slap more - those students or that teacher. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| If it's something a whole class won't stop then it's time to have the whole class hold their hands up in the air in silence for a few minutes. |
The students won't even do that. I've tried and so has the teacher. Maybe 10 kids will put their hands up. The rest half-ass it where they will rest their elbows on the table or their hands are ear-level.
The teacher will walk around class with a stick threatening to hit the kids who don't have their hands up. The offending kids will immediately put their hands up, and as soon as she walks by, they put their hands down again.
Getting the students to put their hands up is MORE frustrating than getting them to pay attention in class.
When she does whack a student who is being defiant, they immediate shoot back with, "Why did you hit me? I didn't do anything."
Or, they just laugh, think its funny and try their best to get the rest of the class to laugh.
These kids have no fear, and completely apathetic. They don't give a sh*t.
Each class, the homeroom teacher marches them into the classroom. They are blatantly defiant to their homeroom teacher too. If htey don't even listen to their homeroom teacher, what makes you think they will listen to the English teacher.
The homeroom teacher is a hardass too. She scares me. |
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nobbyken
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Location: Yongin ^^
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Teacher is very distant from the Ss.
Teacher should try walking through the desks while teaching.
Everyone passed the first row cannot hear what is being said because of the other students noise.
The groups at the back, especially the disruptive ones: try switching their desks and giving the cheekier beggars individual seats facing away from the class.
If they see that nothing is being done to stop them, nothing will.
How about something competitive to grab their attention.
Could the Ss at the back even read what was written on the white strips held up by teacher?
Don't know, try something. I used to hate one of my 6th grade classes last year. They are the 'big guys' in elementary school.
Show some videos about middle school kids getting bullied, then have group discussion on it. That may quiet them a bit.  |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Do elementary schools have disciplinary teachers? It sounds like it's about time for a good punishment session. In cases like that it's pretty well necessary to make an example of a few of the worst offenders. |
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lorenchristopher
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Omg, I feel sorry for you man!! It's frustrating when you try a lot of tactics and nothing seems to work....kinda makes you wanna just sit at the desk and surf the net, cause it seems like no one is listening anyway.
Hope it gets better!! |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Those magnets are a good idea.
Any place i can get some of those?
On another note, why not put the worst outside on their knees, holding their hands up? |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: |
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On another note, why not put the worst outside on their knees, holding their hands up? |
Unless I'm outside with them staring them down, they'll just sit, or stand up and walk around the school until class is over.
I'd have the offenders in teh classroom ontheir knees holding their hands up, but other students in the class will throw paper balls and harrass the person sitting. It causes even MORE disruption.
My 6-1,6-2 are big problems. 6-3 is surprising well behaved. I'm guessing the school must've put all the good students in one class. |
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KYC
Joined: 11 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| 6-1 through 6-7 are all like that...actually worse. They've made my coteacher cried when I wasn't here. Sometimes, I get too tired of shouting into the microphone and just give up. My ct and I have to constantly b!tch at them every 5 minutes..then they'll quiet down for another 3 minutes..and the cycle repeats. I do this every friday.....thank god it's a holiday this friday. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| Juregen wrote: |
On another note, why not put the worst outside on their knees, holding their hands up? |
Unless I'm outside with them staring them down, they'll just sit, or stand up and walk around the school until class is over.
I'd have the offenders in teh classroom ontheir knees holding their hands up, but other students in the class will throw paper balls and harrass the person sitting. It causes even MORE disruption.
My 6-1,6-2 are big problems. 6-3 is surprising well behaved. I'm guessing the school must've put all the good students in one class. |
They need to know there's an escalating series of consequences and that they don't want to go down that path. If my kids were treating my coteacher like that on a consistent basis - even though she obviously has no stage presence in the classroom and needs to work on that - I can guarantee that some of them would end up in tears. I'd wait until an appropriate pause in her lesson and give them a quick 'Quiet!' and the next students to start talking about something other than the lesson would get dragged immediately outside and wouldn't come back until I'd made sure I'd effected a serious change of attitude. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| I'd wait until an appropriate pause in her lesson and give them a quick 'Quiet!' and the next students to start talking about something other than the lesson would get dragged immediately outside and wouldn't come back until I'd made sure I'd effected a serious change of attitude. |
Been there, done that. The problem is these kids have a very short memory. The problem kids are good for a a few days then go back to their usual ways. While they are being good, another group of students step up and disrupt class.
Its just a continuous cycle. If I straighten out the 6th graders this year, next year will be a new batch of 6th graders causing the same amount of trouble.
My coteacher asked if I were going to stay at the school another year. I laughed and said never. The school couldn't pay me enough. |
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