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koreandefence



Joined: 05 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crescent wrote:
koreandefence wrote:
Yes please, give me some examples. Oh but before you give examples make sure western cultures or English teachers in korea are not guilty of such things. Then by all means give me your examples. Because if western society or EFL eachers do the same thing then it is not only in Korea is it. Waiting for FACTS not opinions.


1. Endangering children by taking them in baby carriages to mass protests against imported products, while being guilty of POORER domestic standards and testing, and general common sense..
2. Protesting negligible issues BECAUSE they involve 'foreign evil', while ignoring exponentially more dangerous social issues such as road safety.
3. Enforcing laws with bias in favor of the local population, and discriminating against foreign nationals.
4. Publishing the full identity of foreign nationals accused of injustice, and not the names of the local population.
4.5 Sensationalizing the actions of foreigners in national news, while ignoring the same offences commited by Koreans.
5. Lack of police enforcement, judicial wisdom in cases of spousal abuse and child sexual abuse.
6. Having a flawed system that hires and mistreats foreign workers, and then criticizes the workers.

Now, I suppose you will want me to cite SPECIFIC examples, right? I know you're in that much of a denial.
I'll give you some hints.
Lone Star.
Beef.
Seatbelt, chld seat.
Daegu gang rape.
Miryang gang rape.
Hogwans.

Yeah, but venting on an ESL website. That's terrible.


I did say unique to Korea.
Can you read? I suggest reading the History of Western countries or maybe even Terrorism laws about illegal detentions etc to see that you points are really not unique. Hey lets look at the laws to immigrate to the USA, or lets look at the rapes in UK or England, which country do you think has the highest crime rates? come on mate FACTS
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crescent



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

koreandefence wrote:
[I did say unique to Korea.
Can you read? I suggest reading the History of Western countries or maybe even Terrorism laws about illegal detentions etc to see that you points are really not unique. Hey lets look at the laws to immigrate to the USA, or lets look at the rapes in UK or England, which country do you think has the highest crime rates? come on mate FACTS

Immigration laws? You're joking now. You think it's a result of racism? I see what I'm dealing with now.
Predictable. You either miss the point completely, or lack the analytical skills needed to understand what I wrote.
So, in America, when students are gang raped over a period of time, with full knowledge of the school Pricipal, the result would be the Principal NOT losing his job?

And in the west, the news media highlights trivial actions of foreigners?

In the West, there are 2 sets of rules for foreign and domestic companies?
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mmarshalynne



Joined: 23 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this site prior to coming to Korea; I read a lot of posts to try to make good decisions about which job to take and which to decline. After careful thought, I moved to the other side of the world.

Some things have happened since I have got here that would have been reason enough for me to walk out on a job at home; but, because I am on the other side of the world and its difficult to change jobs, I have stayed and tried to make the best of things. When things happen, I come to this site in ignorance and fear. I post my problems that seem bigger than life simply because I am miles away from my family and friends. It may seem like whining at times, but I have spent many sleepless nights over these small issues. Each time, someone reaches out and helps me with insight or possible solutions and I am grateful. The opportunity to reach out to talk about these issues, even when they may seem petty, makes life easier.

I like people in general. While I am here, I want to take the opportunity to appreciate the culture and the people; however, I don't believe that means I need to put my head in a sack and pretend that everything is okay all of the time. I also think it is smart to understand the culture, and how it may effect my contract.

I have been insulted since I have been here; but if someone insults me who I don't know, I don't really care. A stranger's opinion means absolutely nothing to me. Maybe this will change over time, as the people who have been here the longest appear the angriest to me. The day that being here is more negative for me than positive, I will go. Until then, I will come to Daves and "whine" as much as I please. I will also continue to read the "whines" of others and feel some comfort in knowing that others are experiencing the same things.


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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over 50% of Koreans Chronically Tired
Chosun Ilbo (September 30, 2008)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200809/200809300010.html
Quote:
More than half of adults in Korea are suffering from fatigue to the extent that they need medical treatment, according to a recent poll. Those most affected were in their 40s....

69.1 Percent of Poll Respondents Unsatisfied with Life
by Hong Yung-lim, Chosun Ilbo (August 8, 2004)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200408/200408080035.html

96.5% of Young Employees Wish To Work Abroad
Chosun Ilbo (September 6, 2004)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200409/200409060026.html

72 Percent of Men Drink Alcohol Every Day: Survey
By Bae Ji-sook, Korea Times (May 12, 2008)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/05/117_24038.html

1 in 3 Parents Wants Children to Study Abroad
By Moon Gwang-lip, Korea Times (May 24, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200505/kt2005052420094611960.htm
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rebel_1812



Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Over 50% of Koreans Chronically Tired
Chosun Ilbo (September 30, 2008)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200809/200809300010.html
Quote:
More than half of adults in Korea are suffering from fatigue to the extent that they need medical treatment, according to a recent poll. Those most affected were in their 40s....

69.1 Percent of Poll Respondents Unsatisfied with Life
by Hong Yung-lim, Chosun Ilbo (August 8, 2004)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200408/200408080035.html

96.5% of Young Employees Wish To Work Abroad
Chosun Ilbo (September 6, 2004)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200409/200409060026.html

72 Percent of Men Drink Alcohol Every Day: Survey
By Bae Ji-sook, Korea Times (May 12, 2008)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/05/117_24038.html

1 in 3 Parents Wants Children to Study Abroad
By Moon Gwang-lip, Korea Times (May 24, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200505/kt2005052420094611960.htm


even koreans don't like it here. Of course they won't see it that way.
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Netz



Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rebel_1812 wrote:


even koreans don't like it here. Of course they won't see it that way.



And what the OP may not realize, depending on how deep he's gone down the rabbit hole, is that Koreans talk more $@#* about Korea than most foreigners ever even thought of.

Of course they do it privately, and only with other Koreans, but it clearly shows that the "smack talking waygookin's" are not the minority when it come to "Korea bashing".

Not even close.


Oh, but it's "ok" for them to do so, because they're Koreans.

Nevermind.
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Typhoon



Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fact: It is not ok for foreigners to say bad things about Korea. That is just the way it is. We are not Korean so we couldn't possibly understand Korea or Koreans, so we have not right to make negative comments about Korea.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The gavel hit the table. "The emergency meeting of the Miriam Ferguson Society will now come to order. I believe the Computer Hacking Committee has some disturbing news."

김 씨디 stood up. "That is correct. As most of you know, we have been trailing a long-term student of the Korean language."

이 장난 jumped up. "What? That imbecile has been here for almost ten years and he's still working on 안녕 하세요!�

There was general laughter. The President looked disapprovingly. "Mister 이, let me remind you that this will be an orderly meeting."

김 씨디 replied, "This 'imbecile' might be smarter than you think. He has long been aware of our contemptuous view of foreigners, and he has been trying to alert the other netizens."

이 장난 said in an undertone, "And?"

"And so far, he has been unsuccessful at it. The other netizens have been deceived by our smiling and our bowing and our 나이스 투 밋 유-ing, so they have merely told this guy that he was crazy and paranoid."

이 장난 spoke again, "So what are you worried about?"

"Well it seems that there are three other netizens who are not imbeciles, and who could convince everyone else that this so-called imbecile is telling the truth. You see, these netizens have become proficient in understanding Korean."

There was a gasp all over the room. Some members spoke in a whisper, "But that's impossible!"

The President turned to a distinguished looking gentleman. "Doctor 황, do you have any comments on that?"

The gentleman addressed slowly stood up and slowly began speaking. "As all of you are aware, the average English speaker is woefully inferior to the average Korean in terms of brain capacity and IQ. And as all of you are aware, this renders the average English speaker incapable of learning any foreign language. However, mutations can sometimes occur. In fact, there have been individuals whose brain capacities and IQ's have approached that of the average Korean. These three individuals whom we are discussing are undoubtedly carriers of such mutations."

Doctor 황 sat down. The President said, "Thank you. Mister 김, you may continue."

김 glanced down at his notes, "One member went into a pizza joint and overheard someone say that they don't sell hamburgers, so he must be confused."

A woman wearing a long print dress and a bun in her hair began looking through a pale blue book.

"This same member has overheard Koreans say that foreigners smell bad and that he looks as if he had been orphaned."

The woman quickly jotted some words and numbers on a pad.

"Another member often hears the word '*beep*' when he goes out in mixed company."

The woman continued with her hurried search.

"The third member makes reference to a 'cute, fat little kid' who asked him if he eats shit."

Everyone laughed except for the woman with the bun, who closed her book and put away her pencil.

"We are working on finding the real identities of these three members, and once we succeed, we will report back." 김 씨디 sat down.

The President looked very grim. "Thank you for that report, Mister 김. This is indeed disturbing news. If word of this breakthrough leaks out, our cover will be blown forever. 문 선생, I see you were hard at work. Do you have something to share with us?"

The woman with the bun stood up. "Yes, I do. According to the Yonsei University word frequency chart, 고아, which means 'orphan,' is number 5360, 혼란하다, which means 'confused,' is number 12036, and 냄새나다, which means 'smell bad,' is number 17835.

"매춘부, which refers to a woman who is not very nice, is number 19036. And that last word--I can't say it--is number 3776. If we are dealing with individuals with nineteen thousand word vocabularies, this is no child's play." Mrs. 문 sat down.

The President frowned. "As you say, we are dealing with some foreigners who are way past the how-are-you-I'm-fine-thank-you level. Are there any suggestions on how we shall proceed from here?"

The Chairman of the Sabotage Committee spoke up. "We can surround these three members with 캔아이헬프유 vampires. That might drive them back home."

Another member responded, "It might, but it might make them fight all the more harder. That's how it worked with--what's that guy's name that we were talking about before."

The Chairman nodded. "It's a possibility, though. We'll discuss that at the next committee meeting."

The President asked, "Any other suggestions?"

Another member raised his hand. "We obviously can't put all foreigners in their place. So we should start a Quarantine Committee, to deal with these hard core escapees. This committee will appoint Society members to make friends with these three individuals and others like them, invite them to church, invite them to community club meetings, and generally love bomb them to death. We will get guys like this so involved in Korean life, they won't even think about leaking secrets to other foreigners!"

The President said, "We will certainly hate to do that, but like you say, what has to be done has to be done. 장 사랑, I believe you were suggesting starting a children's auxiliary for the Society."

A smiling, affectionate woman responded. "That is correct. I am working on a report for the next meeting. But for now, I'd like all the information I can get on the 'cute, fat little kid.' He sounds like a prime recruit."

The President said, "Mister 김, please see Mrs. 장 after the meeting. Is there any more new business?

"If not, the meeting is now adjourned." The gavel hit the table.


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Papa Smurf



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Netz wrote:
rebel_1812 wrote:


even koreans don't like it here. Of course they won't see it that way.



And what the OP may not realize, depending on how deep he's gone down the rabbit hole, is that Koreans talk more $@#* about Korea than most foreigners ever even thought of.

Of course they do it privately, and only with other Koreans, but it clearly shows that the "smack talking waygookin's" are not the minority when it come to "Korea bashing".

Not even close.


Oh, but it's "ok" for them to do so, because they're Koreans.

Nevermind.


Yeah, I've found with this with a couple of the older "Korea has four seasons, Korean cow is best" brigade. Get to know them and they will gradually tell you what they really think. Just the way a lot of them are I guess.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

koreandefence wrote:

I did say unique to Korea.
Can you read? I suggest reading the History of Western countries or maybe even Terrorism laws about illegal detentions etc to see that you points are really not unique. Hey lets look at the laws to immigrate to the USA, or lets look at the rapes in UK or England, which country do you think has the highest crime rates? come on mate FACTS


Rather Komericanish argument, don't you think?
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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72 Percent of Men Drink Alcohol Every Day: Survey
By Bae Ji-sook, Korea Times (May 12, 2008)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/05/117_24038.html


From that link.....According to the Korea Center for Disease Control and Prevention, drinking eight or nine glasses of soju can double the risk of hypertension or diabetes.

The center suggested in 2005 that at most a man should drink less than two glasses of soju, and a woman one glass three times a week.


Are they saying that the safe limit for a man is 6 shots of soju per week!!
Laughing That's less than one bottle of soju per week!! If that's true (and it's clearly not) then I'm fu*ked!!
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Typhoon



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This could be the solution to the great number of a**holes. Bring on the soju!!!!
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
Another member raised his hand. "We obviously can't put all foreigners in their place. So we should start a Quarantine Committee, to deal with these hard core escapees. This committee will appoint Society members to make friends with these three individuals and others like them, invite them to church, invite them to community club meetings, and generally love bomb them to death. We will get guys like this so involved in Korean life, they won't even think about leaking secrets to other foreigners!"

The President said, "We will certainly hate to do that, but like you say, what has to be done has to be done.


ROTHLMAO! That is just so Homeresque to the core!

What's funny is that after being here for almost four years there are things about Korea that I don't even like to share with foreign newbies and certainly don't mention to friends back home.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

What's funny is that after being here for almost four years there are things about Korea that I don't even like to share with foreign newbies and certainly don't mention to friends back home.


Is it sad that I know EXACTLY how you feel?
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Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is anybody else as pissed of as me? Reply with quote

fortysixyou wrote:


I predict this thread will reach 7+ pages,

OR

get pulled by the mods in less than three days.


Page 16.

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