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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| So, the bailout passed. It is... |
probably replete with political compromises, as any real, workable agreement should be in a pluralistic political system where diverse, multiple interests compete to influence policy. Politics remains the art of compromise, then. Without the art of compromise, we move to politics by other means: war. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I suppose. But that does not mean it will either achieve the desired effect or not make things worse. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| For that we must wait and see. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:37 am Post subject: |
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The 74-25 roll call by which the Senate approved a $700 billion rescue package for Wall Street aimed at preventing a credit crisis...
Voting "yes" were 39 Democrats, 34 Republicans and 1 independent.
Voting "no" were 9 Democrats, 15 Republicans and 1 independent.
Alabama
Sessions (R) No; Shelby (R) No.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/senate_rollcall_financial_meltdown
The rest of the article is a roll call by state if anyone is interested in how their senators voted.
Here is some info on what has been going on in the House in the meantime.
The White House and congressional leaders already have made up their minds. Confronted with the defeat of an earlier measure in the House this week and increasingly urgent warnings of economic hardship, they've begun rounding up votes the old-fashioned way.
They're buying them.
A revised bailout bill includes tens of billions of dollars in tax breaks for the middle class, for homeowners who don't itemize their deductions, and for property owners in Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington and Wyoming.
Add on the $3 billion funding dollop for rural school programs over the next five years. And another $8 billion over the same period in disaster aid, much of it for Midwestern states. And toss in unrelated legislation, far-reaching in its own right, requiring insurance plans to provide better benefits for mental health.
None of these has any direct bearing on the problem afflicting Wall Street and the entire economy. Yet in the currency of Congress, each is rapidly becoming part of the solution.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/meltdown_stakes_analysis
It isn't pretty, but this is the usual way bills get passed in Congress. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| All that's fine, ba, but what are your thoughts on the points the article makes? |
"You can't fool all the people all the time."
We are far enough removed from 9/11 so that people can begin to have a bit of objectivity, and realize all the lies they have been told since.
I agree that Congressmen are suffering from a collective guilty conscience for having sold their constituents out all these years in so many different ways and are actually worried this time about re-election. After all, 435 elections are a lot to fix. |
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