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burnt-toast
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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OnTheOtherSide

Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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I don't understand this either. Around here, they have cleaning crews that sweep up all the trash and litter at about 3 a.m. These people go around seeping up huge, huge areas. It seems like it would be easier for them to unload trash cans instead of sweeping up the entire sidewalk huh? |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: where are all the bins? |
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Nah, it's well known. Seoul used to have tonnes and tonnes of trash cans. Then, one day, the lower tax fairy came along and swept them all away to be replaced with purchase-per-use baggies so people could play for the amount of trash they threw out and not simply a flat rate of taxes regardless.
The same system dominates the highways too. You only pay for them if you drive through toll booths. Think it's just Seoul? From what I can remember, Tokyo has the same system.
It would be nice if there was a balance... but if there were public trash cans, then it would defeat the purpose of the pay-per-use bags. Everyone would go outside and empty their trash into the public bins so it'd be on the city's tab.
Not really sure what a good work around would be other than just bringing back the old system. They should at least have garbage bins in non-residential shopping districts, subways and other metropolitan areas. |
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prideofidaho
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, it is really weird.
I heard a conspiracy theory that they were all taken away. The story goes that you didn't always have to pay for city garbage bags, but rather could use any old garbage bag. When these pay-bags were introduced, people began using the public bins rather than pay for the bags, so they were all taken away.
I'd love to know if this is true.
There's one outside of some random building in Dongdaemun. Weird. |
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prideofidaho
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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well, I said it better anyway.  |
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exit86
Joined: 17 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Actually you are dead on Idaho. The problem was that, with the new
pay-per-bag system, thrifty older folks used the public bins. In reaction,
the city put lids on the bins with small holes. The thriftsters then simply lifted the lids. So, the city then installed locks on the lids; and, guess what happened . . . the thriftsters broke the locks. So, the bins were simply removed until a better solution might arise. Sort of funny.
Also, as many of us may also remember, the bins in the Seoul subway
were removed post 9/11 in fear of terrorist bombings.
I personally think the bins at Incheon airport are a great solution: they are simply a sturdy, transparent trash bag fitted onto a frame. Cheap,
easy to use, and safe in that any suspicious objects/devices can be easily seen. |
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prideofidaho
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. I'm giggling thinking about a bunch of weirdos sitting around trying to one-up the thrifty oldies, and someone jumps up and shouts "We'll just make the holes smaller!
I've learned you've got to wake up pretty early to be more resourceful that a thrifty oldie. |
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Rob'sdad
Joined: 12 May 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Don't forget the trash cans on fire from the cigarette butts getting tossed in at bus stops. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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I my city one can buy garbage bags... or not. If one throws away (leaves on the sidewalk) garbage in 'any old bag' they still take it away. |
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Dasein
Joined: 26 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: |
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From the article: "It doesn't take Stephen Hawkins to realize that"
It's irony on a base level, but it works. |
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seoulsucker

Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Dasein wrote: |
From the article: "It doesn't take Stephen Hawkins to realize that"
It's irony on a base level, but it works. |
It's a hooot...you can get a f'n hooooot. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Just a basic garbage tax for all households would be the solution.
The problem with this....it is logical. |
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