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bucheon bum
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| Have to say Palin succeeded. She didn't come across as an idiot. I have a feeling the McCain campaign will get a slight boost by this. |
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Fox News just said that Palin said like she didn't seem to have the command of the issues that Biden does. Wow.
Anyway, both closing statements were good. Moderate to slight edge to Biden. I think if the rest of the debates just break even without something positive happening in terms of these debates, Obama will be our next president....
McCain is getting screwed a bit by the economy and is taking political and world affair hits he cannot control. I think the economic crash is basically dooming his compaign.
Race is still in play. |
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Binch Lover
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I only caught the end of it but it seems to me like Biden was much too respectful and missed plenty of opportunities to hammer her into the ground. It honestly seemed like he was a Republican party stooge there to make her look good. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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What can he say? Everyone already knows he did...  Really, who cares about VP nitpicking. McCain has got this election nailed, IMHO. |
I agree with you that the VP debate isn't going to make much of a difference. As to the election in the bag, maybe you didn't hear about McCain giving up on Michigan. It's a shame, 17 electoral votes. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
I agree with you that the VP debate isn't going to make much of a difference. As to the election in the bag, maybe you didn't hear about McCain giving up on Michigan. It's a shame, 17 electoral votes. |
Michigan has historically been blue, especially this time around. Kerry took all of MI in '04. This state's population is shrinking, crime is high, and there are plenty of bums. Typical Democrat stronghold.
Mccain's prioritizing. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Her folksy, credible performance encourages the Republicans (and probably saves her political future) but the very-focused Biden demonstrated greater command of the issues, while coming across as a nice, personable guy. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
I agree with you that the VP debate isn't going to make much of a difference. As to the election in the bag, maybe you didn't hear about McCain giving up on Michigan. It's a shame, 17 electoral votes. |
Michigan has historically been blue, especially this time around. Kerry took all of MI in '04. This state's population is shrinking, crime is high, and there are plenty of bums. Typical Democrat stronghold.
Mccain's prioritizing. |
True (except for the part about the bums, sorry I don't buy that), but part of McCain's early strategy was to flip a state that Bush didn't win. Part of the problem is he's having to defend Colorado, Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio and Florida (all states Bush won twice). Look for McCain to give up Iowa soon as well (Bush won Iowa in 2004, but lost it in 2000). The question is if certain people are saying this election is "over" how is that true when McCain is playing defense in half a dozen states he has to win. Going back to his strategy, that leaves him MN, PA and maybe a few others in which he could flip. Even Indiana, a state that is pretty red is pink on most of the maps I've seen. It says a lot for what is really going on.
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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At least there were no train wrecks, live and in color, up close and personal.
I wish Biden had called her on the maverick thing a lot earlier in the debate. I also thought his kitchen table, single parent thing was effective.
I think if I were on a stage, on live TV, trying to persuade people I deserve the 2nd highest job in the land, I would find some other way of acknowledging my dad in the audience some way other than with a wink. I don't think I'd call my brother 'the best little teacher'. I don't think she's qualified, and I'm certainly biased against her, so maybe I'm being unfair, but I didn't like her folksiness. It didn't seem vice presidential to me. I'm not much on cutsey poo-ness anyway, and certainly not in that situation. A little more gravitas would have gone further with me. I still wouldn't have liked her, but I would have had the impression she took the job more seriously. She's not running for head cheerleader. |
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PBRstreetgang21
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| She is Bush in drag-- look at how many times she said "nukuler" |
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kotakji
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| I didn't like her folksiness. It didn't seem vice presidential to me. I'm not much on cutsey poo-ness anyway, and certainly not in that situation. A little more gravitas would have gone further with me. |
That's the part that makes me cringe too. But the reality is a great segment of the US population doesn't like people who come of as smart in an academic sense. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Clear Politics has Obama at 353 electoral votes. I'm projecting that early next week he'll be at 375 or higher. Maybe knocking on 400. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| But the reality is a great segment of the US population doesn't like people who come of as smart in an academic sense. |
We do have an anti-intellectual strain in the culture, but I'm not sure it applies to the presidency. Maybe I'm wrong.
I couldn't help wondering what V. Putin would think if he were watching the debate. He must have jabbed Igor in the ribs and asked, "Did you see that? She just winked at her dad. Send two more destroyers to the Caribbean. We've got a lock on the 21st Century. Thank you, Joe Stalin wherever you are."
The only thing missing was bubble gum. She needed to blow a bubble. |
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PBRstreetgang21
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| We do have an anti-intellectual strain in the culture, but I'm not sure it applies to the presidency |
I think it fluctuates. People like FDR where loved for their intelligence, and certainly Intellegence was a big factor in Adlai Stevenson's continued following. Even Bush I really was a very intellectual guy and he won election. At the moment we have been in an anti-intellectual bend. Look at W. Remember when they tried to denounce Kerry because he "looked french"? They decried him as Boston elitest.
Bush was loved cause he drives a pick up and says "I dont do nuance". Even McCain's biggest boost came when nominated Sarah Palin because people said "she's real".
Look at the Failures of the past 30rs. Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale-- all intellectuals viewed at "out of touch". The successes: Reagan, Clinton, and W: all people viewed as being "down to earth" and "real" and "unpretentious".
Part of it is also though like Bill Maher says, the American people get so narcisistic that we want a President that is just like us. That I think is a big thing. Identity politics is a MASSIVE trump card. People what a President who is too "real" to actually run the world, they want a President they can envision at the bar at the corner.
Luckily polls indicate more Americans wanna booze with Obama than McCain. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Was I hearing things or did she say that $700 billion is the amount we owe the Arab nations for energy costs? Where'd she pull that number from and isn't it strange that it's the exact same figure the President is asking to bail out Wall St. failures... their mistakes, their bad decisions?
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Have to say Palin succeeded. She didn't come across as an idiot. I have a feeling the McCain campaign will get a slight boost by this. |
Agreed. Hard to judge who "wins" any such debate. Only clear when someone "loses." And S. Palin, "eye of the tiger" Palin  , certainly did not lose this debate.
I was particularly pleased in her foreign-policy performance and the way she generally directly addressed J. Biden, who also looked and sounded good tonight, but for his teary-eyed H. Clinton moment, throughout. |
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