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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Bah... the faint cries of those who wish they could enjoy free reign on hookerville as in the past, and the pimps who feel oppressed.
It is having an effect. Slowly. But it's happening.
Ask anyone who has been here for a long time. In terms of Itaewon, anyway, police patrols do have an effect. When I lived in Itaewon, there were hookers hanging out of every doorway on the way up to Polly's every night -- and many were hot. Now, there are but a few ugly skanks with nowhere else to go who try to snag stragglers at odd hours, from what I've seen. It's killing them off. It's working. So be it.
And for those pimps who say, "We just moved outside of Seoul where there is less regulation..." I bet they wish they were back in Seoul. They're probably not making near the coin.
Sour grapes.
When they get serious about cracking down, they'll go after room salons.
Good luck. That's pushing rich people with power the wrong way. |
If, by "It is having an effect," you mean that it's becoming less visible, then you're right, but according to the police's own statistics, the overall amount of prostitution, since the crackdown began about four years ago, has actually increased. Let's take, for example, the young women of Hooker Hill that you mentioned. They've relocated, and not very far at that. They now work the clubs in Itaewon near Hooker Hill as freelancers.
One needs only to look at Prohibition in the United States to see that laws only work when people more-or-less universally support them. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
Bah... the faint cries of those who wish they could enjoy free reign on hookerville as in the past, and the pimps who feel oppressed.
It is having an effect. Slowly. But it's happening.
Ask anyone who has been here for a long time. In terms of Itaewon, anyway, police patrols do have an effect. When I lived in Itaewon, there were hookers hanging out of every doorway on the way up to Polly's every night -- and many were hot. Now, there are but a few ugly skanks with nowhere else to go who try to snag stragglers at odd hours, from what I've seen. It's killing them off. It's working. So be it.
And for those pimps who say, "We just moved outside of Seoul where there is less regulation..." I bet they wish they were back in Seoul. They're probably not making near the coin.
Sour grapes.
When they get serious about cracking down, they'll go after room salons.
Good luck. That's pushing rich people with power the wrong way. |
If, by "It is having an effect," you mean that it's becoming less visible, then you're right, but according to the police's own statistics, the overall amount of prostitution, since the crackdown began about four years ago, has actually increased. Let's take, for example, the young women of Hooker Hill that you mentioned. They've relocated, and not very far at that. They now work the clubs in Itaewon near Hooker Hill as freelancers.
One needs only to look at Prohibition in the United States to see that laws only work when people more-or-less universally support them. |
Nah. Only a few scraggly hoes. It's having an effect.
This "forced underground" argument means next to nothing. "Underground" means it's a lot more difficult for the pimps and guys searching for it. It means paid sex is more difficult to find than it was before. If you want to argue, "oh, but it's gone underground, so the police can't find it" then I'll clue you in on something -- it's about as difficult for the police to find as the common man. If you want to argue that it's harder for police to find, then one must also conclude it is harder for the common man to find and buy. That, my friend = less income for pimps.
The "oh, it'll just go underground" argument doesn't hold water. Once the police finish with the lighted windows, they'll move on to more An-Ma's, hotels, etc. And when they decide to, it's darned easy for them to find the people with the websites too.
There is no search engine which excludes police while including the horny men searching for it. The police can find it very easily. They just have to want to go bust it once they do. |
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santafly
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| underground? like the subway station shopping centers? cool. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Not sure I get your argument, bassexpander. Is it going underground or not? The way you seem to define 'underground' seems to suggest that there is no difference between 'underground' and 'aboveground' (won't be harder for police or common men to find). But yet you say it's 'having an effect'. I assume you just mean less visible on the streets? A bit confusing. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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There isn't.
If the police want to find it, and bust it, they can. All they have to do is go after it. Sure, some small level of "underground" prostitution can always exist anywhere, but the point is that they won't be making near the coin at it. The everyday Korean man won't be so tempted with it out in the open. That is a victory for the police.
My argument is that "underground" means a lot less money than can be earned with a storefront. The pimps are whining, and hoping to make the crackdown stop. |
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Rob'sdad
Joined: 12 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Ask anyone who has been here for a long time. In terms of Itaewon, anyway, police patrols do have an effect. When I lived in Itaewon, there were hookers hanging out of every doorway on the way up to Polly's every night -- and many were hot.
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I know a guy who went down on one of those hookers. Needless to say, we don't share soju glasses. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Not sure I get your argument, bassexpander. Is it going underground or not? The way you seem to define 'underground' seems to suggest that there is no difference between 'underground' and 'aboveground' (won't be harder for police or common men to find). But yet you say it's 'having an effect'. I assume you just mean less visible on the streets? A bit confusing. |
I'm confused, too. He continues to ignore clear evidence that the crackdown is having the same effect on prostitution that Prohibition had on alcohol consumption.
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I wonder what made them decide they wanted to finally get around to this? Somebody stiffed a cop his monthly bribe?
I still remember hearing about the thousands of sex workers protesting in front of City Hall back in 2005, and the hunger strikes for self-determination. What could make the police turn around and do something that the global women's conference in Seoul couldn't make them do? |
The crackdown on an-mas (massage parlours) in Jangan-dong was because the Renters' Association complained to the police. They felt that the an-mas were decreasing the value of their property. The police are obligated to respond to complaints.
The area around Itaewon's Hooker Hill has become a haven of Nigerian crime, mostly stolen credit card-related.
The red-light district in Yongsan sits on some of the most expensive real estate in all of Korea, even more expensive than some areas of Gangnam (Kangnam). The prostitutes are obstacles to the latest "Hub of Asia" mega-project.
These are just some of the real reasons for the latest "crusade against immorality." |
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Rob'sdad
Joined: 12 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Off the track
My pal and I and our dad's in Oakland in the 70's
Dads: Let's go check out the hookers.
Us: What's a hooker.
Dads: FFFFFFF.......chicks who walk around with fishing poles.
Later after getting home.....
Mom: Whatcha do?
Us: Looked for hookers
Atomic explosion |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| bangbayed wrote: |
| Not sure I get your argument, bassexpander. Is it going underground or not? The way you seem to define 'underground' seems to suggest that there is no difference between 'underground' and 'aboveground' (won't be harder for police or common men to find). But yet you say it's 'having an effect'. I assume you just mean less visible on the streets? A bit confusing. |
I'm confused, too. He continues to ignore clear evidence that the crackdown is having the same effect on prostitution that Prohibition had on alcohol consumption.
| Eedoryeong wrote: |
I wonder what made them decide they wanted to finally get around to this? Somebody stiffed a cop his monthly bribe?
I still remember hearing about the thousands of sex workers protesting in front of City Hall back in 2005, and the hunger strikes for self-determination. What could make the police turn around and do something that the global women's conference in Seoul couldn't make them do? |
The crackdown on an-mas (massage parlours) in Jangan-dong was because the Renters' Association complained to the police. They felt that the an-mas were decreasing the value of their property. The police are obligated to respond to complaints.
The area around Itaewon's Hooker Hill has become a haven of Nigerian crime, mostly stolen credit card-related.
The red-light district in Yongsan sits on some of the most expensive real estate in all of Korea, even more expensive than some areas of Gangnam (Kangnam). The prostitutes are obstacles to the latest "Hub of Asia" mega-project.
These are just some of the real reasons for the latest "crusade against immorality." |
So, real estate agents are pulling LMB's strings? |
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bassexpander
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| You can't compare the sex trade with speakeasies. You could have taken your wife to a speakeasy. Women went there to drink as much as the guys did. Few wives would care if their husbands went out for a beer. They would care if they knew their husband had just slept with a university girl for 1 million won. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| My argument is that "underground" means a lot less money than can be earned with a storefront. The pimps are whining, and hoping to make the crackdown stop. |
An interesting point. A woman working by trolling message boards offering her services isn't going to need to keep a pimp.
I was gob smacked by your SPC interview where you mentioned your wife worked for a travel agency and companies would ask the line up hookers in thailand willing to screw without condoms. I mentioned this to my GF, noting these men go back to their wives after. She was like "oh my god!"
I had the impression most Korean women have simply grown up with this "well, men have their needs" concept that these types of things were just the cost of keeping that paycheck coming into the bank account. |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| My argument is that "underground" means a lot less money than can be earned with a storefront. The pimps are whining, and hoping to make the crackdown stop. |
An interesting point. A woman working by trolling message boards offering her services isn't going to need to keep a pimp.
I was gob smacked by your SPC interview where you mentioned your wife worked for a travel agency and companies would ask the line up hookers in thailand willing to screw without condoms. I mentioned this to my GF, noting these men go back to their wives after. She was like "oh my god!"
I had the impression most Korean women have simply grown up with this "well, men have their needs" concept that these types of things were just the cost of keeping that paycheck coming into the bank account. |
Not my wife... it was a gal I met on UB Love before I met my wife. But yep... that's true. She said she kept some business cards from pimps in Thailand who'd set them up with girls at their hotel. Bareback was a typical request! |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
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| Bareback in Thailand... they must have a death wish... |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| Bareback in Thailand... they must have a death wish... |
This travel agency booked stuff almost exclusively for this extremely large local company which will go unnamed. She mentioned that she would get a call at 10am, "We need to entertain some clients for the weekend. Book us some flight tickets, a hotel, and girls for each room. No condoms, please. We need to leave this afternoon."
It kind of shocked me at the time, because she just got onto that topic and wouldn't stop. |
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bangbayed
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:12 am Post subject: |
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So I suppose that with more law enforcement, ajussis will stop going to hookers and begin a more loving and respectful relationship with their wives and families...and working hours will decrease so social life will be incrementaly more stable in this country. 
Somehow I think the laws of suppy and demand are more relevant here than the effectiveness of the law enforced by the police. The comparison with prohibition is apt. Both are vices which people, for better or worse have a desire for and will seek out. Just because you can do one with your wife and the other one without I think is not a very strong argument. |
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