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uberscheisse



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nothing about her performance suggested that she had done any serious digging.

she did well from a PR standpoint. and that's it. it's not enough.
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gangpae



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: Palin Ruled Reply with quote

ReeseDog wrote:
She won.

He was a stuttering old man. She hit the mark.


No she "din't' win.
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mises



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Her picture looks like the picture of that obnoxious poster cinsinatilink or whatever.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20081003/capt.a9a835d7222843cda7329d263a718f02.vice_presidential_debate_mots151.jpg?x=304&y=345&q=85&sig=epeRhKzWHHZywyZbqQ6_QQ--
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mises: that pic comes from someone's disingenuously searching all available pics and then selecting only those which portray S. Palin in a negative light. Someone could do that to any of us.

By the way...

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Tie goes to the hockey mom.

Who won last night's vice presidential debate? The answer depends on which ticket you support. If you like Obama-Biden, then Joe Biden won.

If you prefer McCain-Palin, Sarah Palin did. That's how you can tell a tie. That's what this was. And since Biden was supposed to destroy Palin, and didn't even come close, this was a good night for the Republican.

It is Sarah Palin's world, Joe Biden just lives in it. Viewers tuned in to see Palin either fall flat, or flatten her opponent.

It makes sense. Palin is one of the most exciting, but also divisive, figures in this campaign. The other is Barack Obama. If anything, there have been moments when I thought that John McCain and Joe Biden were drags on their respective tickets -- like during the debates...


CNN Reports
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mises



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That pic is from the front page of the right-wing Drudge Report, with the headline:

SARAH SHOW: HIGHEST RATED DEBATE SINCE 1992

http://www.drudgereport.com/
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, Barack Obama's back up to the highest rating he's ever had, the one right after the convention (49.2):

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very well. But that is not who your original link cites. Playing baiting games?

In any case, in this instance, it is someone's searching all available pics for the "cutesy" one. But it backfires when someone like you, someone who opposes her, views it.

At the end of the day, she is not an obnoxiously-looking woman; she is a good-looking woman; a former beauty queen, I understand. And none of this matters, because we should not be judging candidates on whether or not they strike us as photogenic.

All this being said, I, too, could not stand cincinattilink, or whatever his name was.
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mises



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Very well. But that is not who your original link cites. Playing baiting games?

In any case, in this instance, it is someone's searching all available pics for the "cutesy" one. But it backfires when someone like you, someone who opposes her, views it.


I just clicked the drudge link. He linked to a link that I linked to.

Yeah, I can't stand her. She is everything that is bad with America. "They hate us for our freedom" etc. Pandering to the mouth breathing masses of flag waving idiots. Third worlders residing in a first world country, for whom a "liberal" is someone who "hates America" and doesn't like "freedom".
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mises: most liberals in fact dwell on America's faults and shortcomings. They obsess on the negative and speak, at times, in superlatives and hyperbolically. Anything positive, they bitterly denounce as flag-waving, and they even assign mental illness to those who disagree. America is the worst place in the world, American healthcare is the worst in the world, and Americans are the stupidest people in the world, etc.

Liberals such as historian Linda K. Kerber see America as little different than totalitarian Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia. Liberals such as M. Moore do indeed seem to hate America. Liberal organizations such as MoveOn.org have called our military commanders "traitors." And grass-roots liberals such as Rev. J. Wright, someone who spoke into B. Obama's ear for decades, even serving as spiritual advisor until very recently, undeniably hate and even damn America.

I was just in a seminar with liberals. They argued for the disabled peoples' identity politics. You see people who are disabled are not really disabled. It is just that the harshly oppressive American society has constructed medical science in such as way as to oppress and harm these people, by telling them that they are different, etc. If we change the discourse we will eliminate the hierarchies, and we will see that wheelchair-bound people, blind people, mentally retarded and autistic people can do anything that so-called normal people can do. They only believe they are different now because America's thoroughly hierarchical and oppressive society and "power" have conspired to subject them to this.

Those are liberals, Mises. Liberals call B. Clinton "a Republican."


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mises



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are leftists. And academic leftists.

Ok, so, you're in academia. Do you think that being in the center of the circus is warping your perception of what is a normal liberal/center-left position?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would not say "a warped perception." We all see the world around us from where we stand, Mises. Who is to say which place to stand is the right place to be?
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mises



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe "warp" is rude. But you certainly are exposed to the more radical end of the democratic party. No?
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Those are liberals, Mises. Liberals call B. Clinton "a Republican."



According to Bob Woodward, Bill Clinton once called Bill Clinton a Republican...

Quote:
I hope you're all aware we're all Eisenhower Republicans. We're Eisenhower Republicans here, and we are fighting the Reagan Republicans. We stand for lower deficits and free trade and the bond market. Isn't that great?


http://tinyurl.com/45u9bu
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:

I was just in a seminar with liberals. They argued for the disabled peoples' identity politics. You see people who are disabled are not really disabled. It is just that the harshly oppressive American society has constructed medical science in such as way as to oppress and harm these people, by telling them that they are different, etc. If we change the discourse we will eliminate the hierarchies, and we will see that wheelchair-bound people, blind people, mentally retarded and autistic people can do anything that so-called normal people can do. They only believe they are different now because America's thoroughly hierarchical and oppressive society and "power" have conspired to subject them to this.


Good God.

We have a few of those at my school, but luckily my institution doesn't (often) reward that kind of intellectual ninkumpoopery.

I say not often. Immigration class was a nightmare on Tuesday. The professor was explaining how she believed we should not use the term illegal immigrant, and instead should use the term 'unauthorized immigrant' or preferably 'immigrant/individual with unauthorized status.' Well, at least the professor had statutory authority: technically, its not a crime to be in the US (unless one is in the act of entering the country within a mile of the border), although an alien not having undergone admissions may be excluded.

Fine.

Well, everyone had to have their say. Everyone was expressing their feelings on how such words were oppressive, alienating, and made an 'other' of human individuals who had done no wrong (except for the minor violation of status of entering the country). I was relieved when one of the two conservatives (moderates?) finally spoke up to defend the term illegal. He, too, had authority: Black's dictionary.

Did any of the other dozen students have any authority? None. But we spent a half hour going around on the issue anyway. Obnoxious.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
According to Bob Woodward, Bill Clinton once called Bill Clinton a Republican...


Are you sure you appreciated the context of "Eisenhower Republicans" as opposed to "Reagan Republicans," On the Other Hand?

Kuros: Glad to see you respond to this as I do. Here is a taste of how historians, particularly the race, class, and gender type, respond to "immigration."

Linda K. Kerber's Presidential Address (2006). Also see Mae N. Ngai [a former Chinese-rights union activist, now historian], Impossible Subjects: Illegal Aliens and the Making of Modern America (2004).


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