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NAVFC
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This thread is dumb.
The war is won because:
1. AIQ has been virtually dismantled. No one really supports them, the only stronghold they have left is Mosul
2. Moqtada Al Sadr disbanned the Mehdi army. and diarmed them. They now do social services work.
3. Sunni and shites are aligning with the US, forming awakening councils in their towns and driving out terrorists.
The anbar province, once a terror hot zone, is now peaceful.
terrorism is going down down down, same with violence, both against iraqis and soldiers. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:21 am Post subject: |
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Americans are still coming home in body bags every day 
That is the sad truth behind a statistic of "low totals" and "reduced numbers".
The *beep* Democrats let the Republicans and their war buddies define the war the last year and a half. They never FOR A MILLISECOND should have conceded the "surge" was a "success" without detailing in the very same breath the names of those who died yesterday, that week, too many to mention by name any given month. Tell the wounded and families of the dead today and this year about what a success it has been in 2008.
*beep* politicians
no straight talk express anywhere in sight |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:48 am Post subject: |
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most deaths US in Iraq now are non combat incidents, mostly accidents.
It is never "worth it."
but 9-11 was the price the US paid for doing nothing about what goes on in the mid east. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| And when the money train to the militias stops? |
exactly. Why does no one mention this? How much money do we have to pour into Iraq? For how long? |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
most deaths US in Iraq now are non combat incidents, mostly accidents.
It is never "worth it."
but 9-11 was the price the US paid for doing nothing about what goes on in the mid east. |
War is worth it when you destroy evil regimes like Hitler and Saddam. We should never gone into Iraq under the circumstances, but at least Saddam is removed from power.
Iraq will become a superpower in the years to come. The blood the americans spilt for their freedom will always bring victory in many circumstances.
Al Qaeda bet on victory in Iraq and they lost. It won't be long until they are destroyed. Obama or McCain will finish the job. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| And when the money train to the militias stops? |
exactly. Why does no one mention this? How much money do we have to pour into Iraq? For how long? |
There is no end in sight. Gotta cut n' run. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| And when the money train to the militias stops? |
exactly. Why does no one mention this? How much money do we have to pour into Iraq? For how long? |
You are aware that Iraq has its own economy yes? They have money coming in on their own. Just like any nation...Especially from their oil revenue...they just made a few billion signing a deal with China for instance.
Do you really beleive that Iraq has zero dollars and that the only money they have is what we give them? This is ridiculous. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| And when the money train to the militias stops? |
exactly. Why does no one mention this? How much money do we have to pour into Iraq? For how long? |
You are aware that Iraq has its own economy yes? They have money coming in on their own. Just like any nation...Especially from their oil revenue...they just made a few billion signing a deal with China for instance.
Do you really beleive that Iraq has zero dollars and that the only money they have is what we give them? This is ridiculous. |
No. Here is the problem: the Sunni tribes are getting money from the US gov't. Who dominates the Iraqi gov't? Shi'ites. Do you think the Iraqi gov't will be happy to provide those Sunni tribes money to keep the peace? Given the animosity between the two groups, I'm leaning towards no.
Right now things run smoothly because the United States has an incentive to do whatever it can to keep the peace in Iraq. Will the Iraqi gov't have that same incentive? Not really. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Round-up of Daily Violence in Iraq - Thursday 2 October 2008
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Baghdad
A suicide bomber wearing a suicide vest targeted a Shiite mosque in Baghdad al-Jadeeda, eastern Baghdad after Eid prayers, at 7.45 a.m. Thursday, killing at least twelve civilians, injuring twenty five.
A suicide car bomb targeted a Shiite mosque in Zafaraniyah, southeastern Baghdad at 7.45 a.m. Thursday killing eight people including four Iraqi Army members, injuring ten including one soldier.
A suicide car bomb targeted a U.S. military convoy in Ameriyah, west Baghdad at noon. A U.S. army vehicle was destroyed and two Iraqi civilians were injured according to Iraqi police. The U.S. military confirmed the incident, adding that the investigation was ongoing.
One mortar round slammed into the Green Zone near the Ministry of Defence, said Iraqi Police. No casualties were reported.
One unidentified body was found in Nidhal Street, central Baghdad by Iraqi Police today.
Nineveh
Gunmen attempted to assassinate Radhwan Izuddin, religious sheikh of al-Furqan Mosque in al-Zuhur neighbourhood, eastern Mosul. Izuddin survived the attack that took place in front of the mosque with superficial injuries.
Diyala
Gunmen opened fire upon a Kia minibus from a speeding car in Wajihiyah, 20 km to the east of Baquba killing three women, one man and two children ages five and six, injuring two people: a woman and a man.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Round-up of Daily Violence in Iraq - Thursday 2 October 2008
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Baghdad
A suicide bomber wearing a suicide vest targeted a Shiite mosque in Baghdad al-Jadeeda, eastern Baghdad after Eid prayers, at 7.45 a.m. Thursday, killing at least twelve civilians, injuring twenty five.
A suicide car bomb targeted a Shiite mosque in Zafaraniyah, southeastern Baghdad at 7.45 a.m. Thursday killing eight people including four Iraqi Army members, injuring ten including one soldier.
A suicide car bomb targeted a U.S. military convoy in Ameriyah, west Baghdad at noon. A U.S. army vehicle was destroyed and two Iraqi civilians were injured according to Iraqi police. The U.S. military confirmed the incident, adding that the investigation was ongoing.
One mortar round slammed into the Green Zone near the Ministry of Defence, said Iraqi Police. No casualties were reported.
One unidentified body was found in Nidhal Street, central Baghdad by Iraqi Police today.
Nineveh
Gunmen attempted to assassinate Radhwan Izuddin, religious sheikh of al-Furqan Mosque in al-Zuhur neighbourhood, eastern Mosul. Izuddin survived the attack that took place in front of the mosque with superficial injuries.
Diyala
Gunmen opened fire upon a Kia minibus from a speeding car in Wajihiyah, 20 km to the east of Baquba killing three women, one man and two children ages five and six, injuring two people: a woman and a man.
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With all due respect
Round-up of Violence in South-Central Los Angeles
South-Central Los Angeles: drive-by shootings
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-football4-2008oct04,0,871518.story
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/homicidereport/2008/09/south-central-2.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-compton27-2008sep27,0,5014066.story
http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081004/NEWS/810040315
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/oct/03/forgive-me-folks-but-im-more-than-a-little-angry/ |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, good! We have finally made Iraq as safe as LA. I guess we have succeeded now and can leave. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| And when the money train to the militias stops? |
exactly. Why does no one mention this? How much money do we have to pour into Iraq? For how long? |
You are aware that Iraq has its own economy yes? They have money coming in on their own. Just like any nation...Especially from their oil revenue...they just made a few billion signing a deal with China for instance.
Do you really beleive that Iraq has zero dollars and that the only money they have is what we give them? This is ridiculous. |
Well, except for this:
US threatens to steal Iraq oil money
Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:57:51 GMT
Washington has threatened to seize Iraqi assets and oil money if Baghdad rejects a controversial US-proposed security pact, Iraq says.
Upon arrival in Iraq from Washington, President Jalal Talabani told reporters that he is concerned over Washington threats.
"Washington threatened to use any means to seize Iraqi assets if we do not support the security pact," Marsadiraq quoted Talabani as saying.
Washington currently seeks to sign a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with Baghdad to give legal basis to its military and political presence in oil-rich Iraq after a UN mandate defining its status expires on December 31.
While there have been indications that the proposed pact may conditionally require US troops stationed in Iraq to leave the country by the end of 2011, it does not necessitate a withdrawal unless Baghdad can fully restore stability in the country.
The deal has been severely criticized by prominent Iraqi political and religious figures, who say it would undermine the country's national sovereignty.
In late August, thousands of Iraqis took to the streets to denounce the agreement. The security deal will allow permanent American bases in the country and will grant US personnel immunity from prosecution inside the bases. The Americans, however, would be liable for prosecution outside their bases.
As controversy surrounds the proposed pact, the US may not be able to convince Iraq to sign the agreement. On Monday, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and parliament declared that any deal should take Iraqi interests into consideration.
Maliki warned that US pressure would only create a political discord inside the Middle Eastern country and threaten the democratically-elected government. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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And someone has to pay for this:
Pentagon to fund pro-Western news programs in Iraq
Posted: 2008/10/04
The Pentagon will invest 300 million U.S. dollars over the next three years to produce pro-Western news programs for the Iraqi media, the Washington Post reported Friday.
WASHINGTON, Oct. 3 (Xinhua) -- It has signed contracts with four private companies for the task last week, according to it.
The U.S. military expects the plan to expand its "information and psychological operations" in Iraq far into the future, even as violence appears to be abating and U.S. troops have begun drawing down.
The move reflects a new U.S. thinking about the military's role in the war of ideas in recent years, as the result of a counterinsurgency doctrine in which information control is considered key to success.
Uniformed communications specialists and contractors are now an integral part of U.S. military operations from Eastern Europe to Afghanistan and beyond.
Iraq, where hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent on such contracts, has been the proving ground for the new strategy. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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The IRONIC part of this is that MANY MANY Americans are really irritated to see American money and jobs and such all GO OVERSEAS.
Then the War in Iraq occurs almost SPECIFICALLY with the intention of cheap jobs and money and people to soak money into (all the while ignoring the workforce back home and what they could produce). |
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