Korean Job Discussion Forums

[tefain]

Interesting....

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/10/117_32169.html
Regarding the complaints, the Korea Immigration Service said it was "reasonable discrimination under the Immigration Law.��

[jadarite]

There are bigger issues at stake, like letting teachers work multiple locations without needing permission like in Japan.

[ttompatz]

Yes, but we all know that Gyopos would NEVER molest kids, catch a STD, or do drugs.

They would NEVER work with forged or faked documents.

Sorry Kimmi..... rose by any other name may smell as sweet but your policies are still strictly 3rd world.

Discrimination is what it is and calling it something else doesn't change the fact.

AND

The worst part is that when one of them gets caught it is the FOREIGN TEACHER community that bears the label and the brunt of the public outcry for it.

Remember the "4 foreign teachers molesting kids at the Seongnam English village? - ALL of whom were Gyopos (2 were actually Korean citizens who lied about their status) but the headline read foreigners.

.

[Whirlwind]

Well, you can forget about that pipe dream. No way in the world that E2 teachers are going to control their visas like in Japan. Will not happen...ever. They would never dream of giving foreigners that much power.

[wylies99]

Gyopos can get away with anything- no diploma or even a high school diploma required.

Don't get me started on this subject. Need EXAMPLES? I've got PLENTY.

[wylies99]

[pkang0202]

There is another thread on this.

To reiterate my point in that thread, gyopos are not exempt from getting health checks and CRC's through employment.

Sure, the shady hagwon owner can hire a gyopo without all that stuff. They can just as easily hire foreigners on tourist visas.

I'll tell you one thing, the majority of gyopos WORKING in Korea are just as legit as anyone with an E2.

The ones that come over during the winter/summer on vacation...... thats a different matter.

[pkang0202]

[wylies99]

There are many Kyopos who have NO BUSINESS teaching English.

I worked with a clueless kyopo, sans diploma, at my second hagwon.

First, he asked me what was that green stuff was in a drawing of "undersea life", and I said it was "sea weed." He looked puzzled, said, SERIOUSLY, "Hmmm, is that what fish smoke to get high?"

He showed me a pitcure of an ear muff (you wear in the winter) and asked me what it was. I told him "ear muff", and he turned around and told the kindy class "Teacher said a bad word."

[aphase]

I already responded to this in the other thread. http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=135284

And I just want to mention again that the F4 visa is not an English teaching visa like the E2, so I don't see it being reasonable at all to be necessary to go through all the same checks. F4 visa holders don't even have to work, they can just stay in the country being homeless if they want to. And like Pkang said, the individual schools usually require ALL teachers, working at their schools to go through some kind of check anyways.

[Juregen]

The F4 Visa is by definition a really weird Visa.

People who have given up their nationality are no longer inhabitants of the country. Ergo sum Foreigners.

But Korea allows for a "Middle Road", that no other country has (to my knowledge). They allow people with another nationality to live in their country as nationals based on their "Heritage".

I am not acquainted with the particulars of this Visa type but that is the gist of things.

The real problem is that E2 is the odd Visa out. They put such strong and stringent requirements on this Visa that it is putting a lot of strains on a lot more people then just the teachers.

We can all agree that allowing willy nilly into the classroom is not a good idea. But instead of making the teacher responsible for this, why do they not let the institute be responsible and carry the final responsibility. This will force all schools to actually do proper background checks, to take their Human Resources serious. If the school "owns" the E2, it should also have the responsibilities that go with it.

The demand of parents to provide education to their children has created a wild grow of various types of after school programs. A lot of experiences on this forum also shows that not all businesses are "clean". We can also agree that it is probably these business are the ones that create the actual "social issues" that are so prevalent issue the the Korean Government, importing "bad characters".

making this logical connection seems very difficult for the government.

[tefain]

[The Hammer]

The number of E-2 visa holders stood at 18,062 as of June, with F-2 and F-4 holders standing at 118,421 and 38,226, respectively, according to the Korean Immigration Service.

E-2 = 18,062 Sucks to be you!
F-2 = 118,421
F-4 = 38,226,

[valkyrian2]

cross posted here:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=135284

linked and locked.