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[Ya-ta Boy]

"The militia movement is a relatively new right-wing extremist movement consisting of armed paramilitary groups, both formal and informal, with an anti-government, conspiracy-oriented ideology. Militia groups began to form not long after the deadly standoff at Waco, Texas, in 1993; by the spring of 1995, they had spread to almost every state. Many members of militia groups have been arrested since then, usually on weapons, explosives and conspiracy charges. Although the militia movement has declined in strength from its peak in early 1996, it remains an active movement, especially in the Midwest, and continues to cause a number of problems for law enforcement and the communities in which militia groups are active...


The Kentucky State Militia has also held trainings out of state in an effort to help rejuvenate the movement. In states like Pennsylvania and Texas, militia leaders have held gatherings designed to reorganize and re-energize the movement in those regions as well. Whether or not such efforts will be successful is uncertain -- it is possible that only another high-profile incident like Ruby Ridge or Waco could raise the militia movement to its earlier height--but it appears to be in no danger of disappearing. New militia groups continue to form, and in some states, like Georgia and West Virginia, where groups virtually disappeared following the major arrests in 1996, the movement has become active again. As long as it is active in any substantial way, criminal activity seems likely to continue."


http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Militia_M.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=mm

I watched that speech by Adam Koresh that arjuna posted and it got me thinking about what it would take for the extemists to step over the line. It seems within the realm of chance that this bailout situation and all the passion it has caused might be the right kind of thing to do it.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=135278&sid=a8382ad84a27ab0c4f39b1272511d245

Given the close historical link between taxes and rebellions, it might be something the FBI should (and no doubt is) keeping an eye on these days. Especially around Election Day.

[Gopher]

Yes, they are around. Groups such as this one...

Michigan Militia

And I expect that the FBI thoroughly penetrated them long ago. I believe the Kennedys used to joke about there being more FBI agents in the American Communist Party than bona fide Communists, for example.

[bacasper]

There are many good FBI agents serving by which I mean they are absolutely appalled at the current state of our country and who also see the need for radical change.

They are not a monolithic block by any means.

[Ya-ta Boy]

So, ba, are you saying we should not trust the FBI to protect us from the radicals--that some of them could be in on it themselves?

[Gopher]

Sorry, I find what you propose -- that rather than the FBI's infiltrating them, they have infiltrated the FBI -- utterly lacking in plausibility.

[Ya-ta Boy]

Here's a paragraph from the article I linked above. It lists some of the legal action taken against these groups 10 years ago.

"By early 1996, virtually every state had at least one group, and most states had several. The movement had attracted the attention not only of the media but also of law enforcement, however, which had begun to discover signs of significant criminal activity. As early as 1994, members of the Blue Ridge Hunt Club, a nascent Virginia militia group, had been arrested on a variety of weapons charges. The following year an Oklahoma Christian Identity minister and militia leader, Ray Lampley, was arrested along with several followers for conspiring to blow up targets ranging from government buildings to the offices of civil rights organizations. But in 1996, a series of investigations resulted in a number of major militia-related arrests, generally on illegal weapons, explosives and conspiracy charges. In April 1996, several members of the Georgia Republic Militia were arrested, followed in July by a dozen members of the Arizona Viper Militia. Later that same month, members of the Washington State Militia found themselves in custody, while in October members of the West Virginia Mountaineer Militia were arres-ted on weapons charges and in connection with plans to blow up an F.B.I. fingerprinting facility. These arrests, not surprisingly, had a depressing effect on the movement."

Had the feds not been on the case, it's clear we would have read more horrifying headlines like Oklahoma City.

[Kuros]

[Jandar]

These "Militias" have been around for a long time.

Whether it was the Cole Porter Gang or the KKK the Black Panthers or the Weather Underground they all emanate from fanatic mind bent sociopathic (somebody finish this sentence for me).

[Cornfed]

[Gopher]

[Cornfed]

[Ya-ta Boy]

The Cole PORTER Gang? This Cole Porter?

Times have changed
And we've often rewound the clock
Since the Puritans got a shock
When they landed on Plymouth Rock
If today, any shock they should try to stand
Steada' landing on Plymouth Rock
Plymouth Rock would land on them

In olden days a glimpse of stockings
Was looked on as something shocking
Now heaven knows
Anything goes

Good authors too who once knew better words
Now only use four-letter words
Writing prose
Anything goes

The world has gone mad today
And good's bad today
And black's white today
And day's night today
When most guys today
That women prize today
Are just silly gigolos

So though I'm not a great romance
I know that I'm bound to answer
When you propose
Anything goes


That Cole Porter? I not a fan of his, but I wouldn't consider his writing to be urban terrorism.

[Kuros]

[Gopher]

Interesting. Your notes show the only intent that matters is the intent to establish the conspiracy. I thought that one had to prove that not only did the conspirators establish a conspiracy, but that they also took "steps" to make it real and perpetrate it.

Conspirators must do a little more than talk about and agree on it, no?

[Jandar]