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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Reminds me of the US immigration policy and the attitudes of the US gov't in the late 1800s, which has been acknowledge as a racist immigration policy. |
US has gone from a racist immigration policy to a discriminatory one. Do you think Mr. Muhammad in Saudi Arabia as the same chances to immigrate to the US as Mr. Brown in the UK? |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Only if he has a lot of money or is related to the royal family. US immigration policy is now based on money or refugee status. If you don't have money, are married to an American or are a refugee getting permenant resident status in the US is crazy hard for anyone. The difference between US policy and Korean policy is that in the US they try to set a standard and apply it. They just don't say...Arabs not welcome, Europeans are. That is the essence of this Korean immigration officers statement. We know we could be letting scum into Korea, but we don't care because at least it is Korean scum. |
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gteacher
Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Ghost in the machine
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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The thing that is crazy is that Korea doesn't require a criminal or health check for F2 or F4 visas. This is crazy. These are essentially permenant resident visas. Check out the requirements for getting similar visas for any another country. They all require a criminal record check and health check. Who the heck wants to let known criminals into their country. The fact it took so long for E2 holders to be required to do this is insane. It won't be long before the F2 and the F4 visas will require similar checks. Hell, it just makes sense. Me marrying a Korean doesn't guarantee that I am not a crack selling, child molesting sleeze ball.
The racist part of the OP was the quote by the immigration official, by the way. When gov't officers can shrug off possible racist policies with a "hell, that's the way we do things here" it is pretty bad. Reminds me of the US immigration policy and the attitudes of the US gov't in the late 1800s, which has been acknowledge as a racist immigration policy. |
F2's usually have a health check as part of the national health checks that most Koreans undergo with thier companies yearly. As well, as has been said earlier, not all F2's are english teachers. F2's are officially sponsered into Korea by their spouse, and the Korean government is gambling that the Korean half of the relationship has already done a limited amount of background checking. In fact 90% of them are currently foriegn brides of Korean men. While having a criminal background check on all of them would not be a problem, it would also be an incredible waste of governmental assests that could be better spent elsewhere.
If someone wants to teach they should be required to submit the necessary documentation to teach. It happens to be that all the public schools that go through one of the official programs require a CBC/CRC and health check. However, 90% of hagwons don't. |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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I have had an F2 for almost 6 years now and do you know how many health checks I have had? Zero. Most of my friends are married and on F2s. Do you know how many health checks they have had done? Zero. Health checks are not getting done.
My point was that permenant residence visas in most other countries require a health check, a police check, a lot of paperwork, and sometimes an interview . It the responsiblity of the applicant to get those done and costs the applicant. It takes no man power from the country being applied to get these things done (except the interview of course). In Korea it takes a one page form, 3 forms from your wife, and a bank statement or rental papers showing you have enough money invested in a house. That is it. The difference between perm. resident procedures is insanely different. The gov't response..."we know there are some scumbags getting in, but what can we do? There is no perfect system." Well, there is things they could do if they wanted...other countries do them to ensure that scum isn't coming into their country. But Korea is only worried about scummy E2 holders. I wonder why? |
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broken76
Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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There seems to be some confusion on what needs to be done for F-2s and 4s to work at a school or hagwon. The laws state that an F-2 and F-4 have the same rights as Koreans citizens when it comes to work. That means that they don't have to jump through the same Visa hoops as an E-2.
But they still need to go through the screening process of the Education department. This requires a health check, background check and also a degree in order to legally work for the school. This applies to Korean citizens as well.
For foreign teachers they go through the same process as well but usually aren't aware of it since the school does the registering. Unfortunately the background check is done through the Korean police and not the one from the teacher's home country but then it would be discrimination to request that from the teacher. The background check really is a meaningless thing unless there is a universal background check that could show all possible offenses around the world.
Now if the school employs these teachers without said checks then it is doing so illegally. Every school is bound by law to post the current teaching staff on the wall with a certificate from the ministry of education. If the ministry of education comes by to do a check this is one of the first things that it looks at. It's actually something that needs to be updated within two weeks of new hirings and dismissals. |
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aphase
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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I have had an F2 for almost 6 years now and do you know how many health checks I have had? Zero. Most of my friends are married and on F2s. Do you know how many health checks they have had done? Zero. Health checks are not getting done.
My point was that permenant residence visas in most other countries require a health check, a police check, a lot of paperwork, and sometimes an interview . It the responsiblity of the applicant to get those done and costs the applicant. It takes no man power from the country being applied to get these things done (except the interview of course). In Korea it takes a one page form, 3 forms from your wife, and a bank statement or rental papers showing you have enough money invested in a house. That is it. The difference between perm. resident procedures is insanely different. The gov't response..."we know there are some scumbags getting in, but what can we do? There is no perfect system." Well, there is things they could do if they wanted...other countries do them to ensure that scum isn't coming into their country. But Korea is only worried about scummy E2 holders. I wonder why? |
I'm curious, are you not covered by the national health insurance? It's my understanding that those that are covered by the national health insurance must get periodic health checks. And if you are not on the national health plan, is it not required if you are employed here? You've never been asked to submit a health check or a criminal check at any of your jobs? if not i'm guessing your working part-time/privately. Do you have a license for that? And if you do, are you accepting only the minimum you are allowed to by the license? Are you paying taxes on all your work? Are you paying into pension? I'm guessing your answer to some of these questions is no.
That would be unlawful wouldn't it? If there are some checks in place, but your evading them all and essentially breaking the law, who is responsible? |
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shifter2009

Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Location: wisconsin
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe it indicates the Korean government isn't concerned about appearing racist, because it values these racist beliefs so much. |
I wonder what visa Roadblock has. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe it indicates the Korean government isn't concerned about appearing racist, because it values these racist beliefs so much. |
I wonder what visa Roadblock has. |
Visa? Roadblock doesn't use visas. He uses power and menace. |
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Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: |
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I have had an F2 for almost 6 years now and do you know how many health checks I have had? Zero. Most of my friends are married and on F2s. Do you know how many health checks they have had done? Zero. Health checks are not getting done.
My point was that permenant residence visas in most other countries require a health check, a police check, a lot of paperwork, and sometimes an interview . It the responsiblity of the applicant to get those done and costs the applicant. It takes no man power from the country being applied to get these things done (except the interview of course). In Korea it takes a one page form, 3 forms from your wife, and a bank statement or rental papers showing you have enough money invested in a house. That is it. The difference between perm. resident procedures is insanely different. The gov't response..."we know there are some scumbags getting in, but what can we do? There is no perfect system." Well, there is things they could do if they wanted...other countries do them to ensure that scum isn't coming into their country. But Korea is only worried about scummy E2 holders. I wonder why? |
I had an F2 and currently have an F5. I had an interview for both the F2 and the F5. Because I work for the public school system, I have had to get two CRCs done and have a medical check each year. Your friends must be extremely lucky or maybe they just work at hogwans or privately. Either way, on an F2 your spouse is your sponsor. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| US permanent residence policy is kind of whack. it splits up families. You and your immediate family can come but your grandma that's been living with you for 20years has to stay. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| I'm a believer in anyone over the age of 60-ish should not be allowed to immigrate to Canada. Unless they have tons of money, of course. |
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