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The German

Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Location: Hwarangdae-Nowon-Gu
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:08 am Post subject: Wanna set up a language school in Bangkok |
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I'm leaving Korea after three years end of January and will go back to Thailand where I worked for a university already for two years.
I want to set up my own language school there. As you can see on my name I'm German and therefore I am quallified in German as a foreign language.
Sure the school will mainly provide English classes.
Where can I find a ranking of ESL books used in classes? Or any other suggestion?
I speak Thai and my wife is Thai. |
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Whistleblower

Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:49 am Post subject: |
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You are in the best position to be honest, and don't let anyone talk you out of doing it.
1. Check the local market and find out of any similar competitors (rates they charge, text books, etc). This could be done by foot. Get your wife to walk in some language schools and see what they offer (text books, curriculum, etc) and get her to make some notes.
2. Look for a quality building that will have stable owners (good financial history, etc) and you are able to convert it to a school.
3. Think about what you want to offer. Make a note of the most important and interesting things you could offer your potential customers (ESP, ESL, Examining, etc).
4. Start off small and have an annual plan and think about how you could reach your dream in 5 years. Where would you like to be? What would you like to achieve? Etc.
5. Keep a diary or notebook and write ideas down when you think of them. This is my habit. When I have an idea, I just write it down 'cos I can't remember everything.
Good luck and keep us updated. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: |
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one big suggestion:
BUSINESS PLAN -> BUSINESS PLAN -> BUSINESS PLAN -> exit plan.
Have one. |
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nebraska1

Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Location: Judge, Some people just need killin!
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:57 am Post subject: |
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ttompatz wrote: |
one big suggestion:
BUSINESS PLAN -> BUSINESS PLAN -> BUSINESS PLAN -> exit plan.
Have one. |
BEST POSSIBLE ADVICE |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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If you can speak English, German, and Thai surely you can find a better job in Thailand than spending 80 hours a week trying to deal with bird-shit foreigners and rich spoiled Thai kids. |
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The German

Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Location: Hwarangdae-Nowon-Gu
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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I have no MBA or anything else, only a MA in Linguistics. No company needs me and half Thais are still cheap labour.
And by opening a school means at the end should be for me no theaching just organizing.
And opening an other hooker bar in Tailand is not an option. Therefore I prefer even anoying kids.
But thanx for ur comment |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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In terms of books, I would put an email through to
Cambridge, Longman, and Oxford and ask them for a list of their bestsellers in Thailand. They will gladly oblige.
Also, I think your other questions are best answered by folks in Thailand in the International forum, not the Korean forum, which is rife with pessimistic wet-blankets and insufferable know-it-alls -- most of whom know very little about starting a school Thailand.
The German wrote: |
I have no MBA or anything else, only a MA in Linguistics. No company needs me and half Thais are still cheap labour.
And by opening a school means at the end should be for me no theaching just organizing.
And opening an other hooker bar in Tailand is not an option. Therefore I prefer even anoying kids.
But thanx for ur comment |
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R-Seoul

Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Location: your place
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Why are you posting on a Korean ESL board?
Why not try Ajarn.com or the like? Where I'm sure your brilliant fool proof plan will be torn to pieces.  |
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Tobias

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: How about this? |
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The German wrote: |
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And by opening a school means at the end should be for me no theaching just organizing.
And opening an other hooker bar in Tailand is not an option. Therefore I prefer even anoying kids.
But thanx for ur comment |
Ahhh. No teaching. No wonder you won't have to deal with the spoiled rich kids coming to class an hour late driving daddy's Beamer.
A hooker bar isn't an option, but what about a hooker Hogwan? Having a fluent grasp of English, Japanese, German, Chinese and such would come in pretty handy for a hooker. It could be a HogPile by day, brothel by night. Do it up, Deutscher. |
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The German

Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Location: Hwarangdae-Nowon-Gu
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:03 am Post subject: |
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Dear Dexter,
one class is reserved actualy for special "business"English, German etc.  |
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Tobias

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: What's up? |
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Argh...What's up with all these folks who think my username is 'Dexter'? |
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The German

Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Location: Hwarangdae-Nowon-Gu
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: Did my homework - and btw one classroom makes 25.000$ a mont |
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How To Set Up a Language School
Tips and pointers on starting, equipping and promoting an ESL school
By Lucy Pollard
The aim of this article is to give you pointers and ideas about which issues you should be considering. You might find that the article provides you with as many questions as it does answers! This is a good sign as it gets you thinking about your specific situation and will remind you of aspects you had possibly forgotten. I wish you luck with any project you start.
LOCATION
Things to consider here include choosing an area that is close to or easily accessible to your target market. Do you prefer to base the school close to your competition? Or do you prefer an area that doesn't have a language school yet? Also consider public transport facilities. If you want to work with young learners, parents also need facilities for dropping off and picking up children.
LAYOUT OF ROOMS
Consider how many students you will have in each class and plan the space needed in classrooms. You might decide to target business clients which means some of your classes will be taught in their company. The advantage for you is that less room is needed on your premises. Also consider how much room you need for teachers and resources. Admin staff need a work area, too. Furthermore, you need a reception area for receiving clients and giving them information.
RESOURCE ROOM FOR STUDENTS
Do you want to have a self-access centre for students to learn independently? (Also known as a multi-media centre). This can be a good selling point for the school. Busy clients might appreciate the opportunity to drop-by and study at times other than those set out for them in the traditional classroom setting. Teachers can be timetabled to oversee the centre which can be seen as a bit of "downtime" for them. You might decide that it can function without the presence of a teacher which makes it more economical. However, you'll need somebody nearby to solve technical difficulties.
WHICH CLIENT GROUP TO TARGET
What kind of teaching will you focus on? Do you want to be specialised in teaching business clients? Do you focus on exam preparation? Or is your focus children and teenagers? Remember the additional considerations when teaching children e.g. security in the building and supervision at all times for the younger ones. The type of work you do also contributes to your corporate image, you can start thinking about this now.
HOW TO FIND YOUR CLIENTS
Think about where and how to advertise. How can you get your school known? The choice of publicity space will depend on your target market and the country you are in. What specialised press exists for your target market? Do you also want to contact Human Resource managers and/or training managers in large companies? Does the local Chamber of Commerce (or similar organisation) have a list of companies that you can target?
MARKETING
This is covered more fully in the article Marketing Your Language Program 101 by Sarah Elaine Eaton, available at Tefl.net.
RESOURCES AND EQUIPMENT
Teachers usually need access to a photocopier and a computer. You need to decide how much to invest in these items and whether it would be easier to rent them. If the equipment is rented, you might get quicker after-sales service. So look into this area. Also contact large computer manufacturers directly and ask whether they are willing to give you computers at a reduced price. Explaining who your target clientele is might help you get computers at discounted price. The advantage to the supplier being that your students become familiar with the computer brand and therefore would be more likely to purchase one at a later date.
As for books, you need to decide whether you give the course book out to students. If so, this is factored into your course fees. The advantage here is that all students will have the book at the same time, making it easier for teachers. Alternatively, you can ask students to buy their coursebooks.
As supplementary resources, I suggest that at the very least you need a book that covers each of the skills (reading, writing, listening, speaking) for each level. Grammar reference books and books that develop vocabulary and pronunciation are needed, too. Remember to buy cassettes and CD Roms to accompany coursebooks. Check with publishers and bookshops, they sometimes give discounts to schools.
If you decide to teach Young Learners, you'll need other resources such as card, scissors, glue etc. A large quantity of toys, eg puppets, plastic fruit and veg will also come in useful. Story books and activity books will also be needed with YLs.
HOW TO FIND YOUR TEACHERS
You'll need to consider where to advertise and what experience and qualifications you consider desirable. I've written two articles on recruiting teachers; these are available at Tefl.net.
ADMIN AND SUPPORT STAFF
You need to consider the job description of admin and support staff. What exactly will you expect them to do? Do you need staff who speak English? Or is the local language sufficient? What about cleaning staff - will you employ them directly or will you outsource this work? You'll also need to consider where to advertise for your admin and support staff and the same tips for recruiting teachers apply here.
DRAWING UP CONTRACTS
You'll need to consider the legal aspects of work contracts in your country. I can't go into all the details here as labour law changes according to the country. If you are unsure about any aspect, get professional, legal advice. It is better to be safe than sorry.
Aspects to consider in the contract include: are you offering full-time, part-time or hourly-paid work? Is a trial period necessary before the contract is confirmed? What salary are you offering and what exactly is paid for, e.g. are planning and travel time paid and if so are they paid at the same rate as teaching? Will you pay for attendance at staff meetings?
Also consider what provisions you need to make for paying into pension schemes, health benefits, holidays and possibly luncheon vouchers.
LEGAL ASPECTS
You need to consider certain legal aspects of being an employer and providing a service. Your building will be used by the public so consider health and safety. This should be considered at the beginning, not later. It can be more costly to put something right once it is in place. Public use of the building also raises issues about insurance.
As for employees, you need to consider equal pay, maternity leave and the right to return to work. Think about issues concerning the termination of contracts. This may seem strange when you are about to recruit; but it's better to know how to end a contract before you enter into it.
Legal concerns vary from country to country. Get legal advice on any subject you are unsure about.
COMPETITION
You need to think about your competitors and how to position yourself in relation to them. What is the added advantage of studying with you rather than a competitor? This is your selling point. Gathering information about other schools helps you fine tune which products you offer and helps you find a niche in the market.
FEES
Issues to consider here include: will individuals be charged the same rate as companies? Will evening classes be the same price as mid-morning classes? How will prices vary according to whether it's a group class or a one-to-one class?
You need to cover your costs, so factor in teachers' salaries, overheads such as rent and electricity. Also consider the cost of materials (books and handouts) and admin salaries.
ACCOUNTS, BOOK KEEPING AND FINANCIAL ASPECTS
These are essential aspects and ones that differ from country to country. You need to understand the systems in your country and where necessary get advice. You need to find out about tax benefits and about anything you can write-off against your taxes. You also need budgets for different areas, e.g. training, resources.
BUSINESS PLAN
It's wise to have a medium-term development plan. Think about your objectives over the next 3 or 5 years. You might need to produce such a plan in order to get a bank loan. It will act as proof that you have thought out your project thoroughly. It's also beneficial to you as it will keep you focused on your priorities.
LEVELS AND TESTS
You need to decide what sort of test to use for placing your students in classes and consider how students pass from one level to the next. Also, what is your policy on repeating a level? If you're working in Europe, you need to think about the work being done by the Council of Europe to standardise language testing across the various member states.
STORING INFORMATION
You need a way to store information on your students. Essentials include name, address, contact telephone number (useful in case a class needs to be cancelled and a number for a parent is essential when teaching YLs). You also need a record of the entrance test score. Useful info includes profession, age and known illnesses (e.g. epilepsy, essential if teaching children). Remember that the information you store will be covered by a data protection law and deal with it accordingly. |
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BTSskytrain
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: combine the two |
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[quote="The German"]I have no MBA or anything else, only a MA in Linguistics. No company needs me and half Thais are still cheap labour.
And by opening a school means at the end should be for me no theaching just organizing.
And opening an other hooker bar in Tailand is not an option. Therefore I prefer even anoying kids.
But thanx for ur comment[/quote]
Perhaps consider combining the two. Beer bar/ English school. The kids could repeat the phrases, "How are you?" "I am fine thank you." for a few hours per day while their mom does a few short times.
Everybody is truly a winner!!!!!!!! Just think about it.
You keep all of the bar fine. Mom gets out there and tricks for her rent and food money. The kids learn a bit of English. And best of all mom doesn't have to find or pay a babysitter!!
Just gotta think outta the box man.
On a more serious note. Open the damned school. What have you got to lose? A little time and capital. With all of the poorly Thai run schools out there you are certain to take at least a small piece of the market share if you can manage well. Good Luck.
Skytrain. |
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