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Adventurer
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 Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: Muslims turning away from terrorism but the world is against |
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Muslims turning away from terrorism but the world is against them
September 22, 2008...7:43 am
Muslims turning away from terrorism but the world is against them
Surveys have shown that there has been a continuous decline of support for Osama Bin Laden and his brand of politics in Muslim countries. There was even a survey which came up with the finding that more Americans believe that terrorist attacks are justified (under some circumstances) than populations in Muslim countries.
The latest survey from Pew Global has confirmed the growing opposition to suicide attacks in Muslim countries. For example, very few people in urban Pakistan today support �suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians to defend Islam from its enemies� (sample size 1254 respondents, mostly urban). In Turkey only 3 percent of respondents support such violence (sample size 1003, national). Graph from Pew Global is given below:
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My comments: I think many people think that those countries have many dangerous elements, and that the cultures concerned support such thinking somewhat, so they have adopted a more negative attitude vis-a-vis Muslims, and people don't also know that there has been a significant tide turning against suicide bombers and radicals. |
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ytuque
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| There is a long way to go in the Muslim world when nearly 1/3 of the population in some countries believes suicide bombings can be justified. The negative viewpoint towards muslims is not strictly a result of terrorism or support for terrorism. Consider the barbaric practices of honor killing and female circumcision. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| ytuque wrote: |
| There is a long way to go in the Muslim world when nearly 1/3 of the population in some countries believes suicide bombings can be justified. The negative viewpoint towards muslims is not strictly a result of terrorism or support for terrorism. Consider the barbaric practices of honor killing and female circumcision. |
I reckon that if you did a poll of almost any country, you would find that a certain percentage of people anywhere would believe that suicide bombings would be justified in certain circumstances.
Certainly I don't see how suicide bombings are worse than flying over head in your F11 and dropping bombs that you know will probably main and kill innocent children. Yet there is a certain percentage of people in the West, who if polled, would find it acceptable in some circumstances. Perhaps we have a long way to go then?
Also there are many muslims who don't practice female circumcision or female honour killings, just as there are many non-muslims (Christians come to mind) who practice female circumcision and many non-muslims who murder their women folk (Hindus come to mind immediately). Neither of those practices are unique to Islam. And both those practices are common in regions that practiced that long before Islam came around.
But all of this is very much off-topic, isn't it. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:15 am Post subject: |
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Certainly I don't see how suicide bombings are worse than flying over head in your F11 and dropping bombs that you know will probably main and kill innocent children. Yet there is a certain percentage of people in the West, who if polled, would find it acceptable in some circumstances. Perhaps we have a long way to go then?
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Indeed. If you phrased the question as �Is it ever acceptable to kill innocent civilians in war? �, then I can guarantee that you would get commanding majorities in almost any country where you took the poll.
My question would be why a particlar Muslim supports suicide bombing. On the one hand, youve got suicide bombings to get the Russians out of Afghanistan. On the other hand, youve got suicide bombings to protest a supposdly blasphemous cartoon. Obviously, those are two very different situations, and there are innumrable stops in between. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: |
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It is not just suicide terrorism that gives Muslims a bad image. Perhaps a more thorough poll of Muslim attitudes would make more interesting reading and would reveal whether the majority of Muslims are truly 'moderate'. For examples questions regarding punishments for apostates, homosexuals, blasphemy and the status of minorities would perhaps give us a more detailed picture of the Muslim world.
Just because someone does not support suicide bombings, does not mean that some of their other views are not deeply objectionable. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| Just because most Christians no longer support burning heretics at the stake in the town square does not mean that some of their other views are not deeply objectionable. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| Just because most Christians no longer support burning heretics at the stake in the town square does not mean that some of their other views are not deeply objectionable. |
How many Christian countries have death penalties for homosexuality, blasphemy, apostasy and have legally sanctioned second class status for women and religious minorities as dictated by their religiously inspired legal systems.
Don't worry, I don't expect an intelligent or coherent answer. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| You're cute, BV. Why don't you tell us exactly which Moslem countries do and do not have these laws? |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, they are unpopular. Given all the violent Jew and gay bashing in Europe it is really no wonder. Given the screams for censorship and violence that comes to any "insult" to allah (hakuuna mattadda). And on, and on. Europe is really building up to something ugly.
So they're tired of their bombs blowing up too many muslims. BFD. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
Certainly I don't see how suicide bombings are worse than flying over head in your F11 and dropping bombs that you know will probably main and kill innocent children. |
Because the F11 is killing people for freedom. It's a good cause!
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| How many Christian countries have death penalties for homosexuality, blasphemy, apostasy and have legally sanctioned second class status for women and religious minorities as dictated by their religiously inspired legal systems. |
Oddly enough, the only Muslim member of the US Congress is also one of the most socially liberal. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| You're cute, BV. Why don't you tell us exactly which Moslem countries do and do not have these laws? |
Frankly, I think it is reassuring that less and less people in those said countries favor suicide bombing. They have seen the horrors of suicide bombing and how things can go out of control. In Iraq and Pakistan you have had a decline in the support for jihadists. As far as Christians with radical views, the U.S. has secular people and the Christian equivalent of jihadists, and I remember someone on TV saying some part of the Middle East should be bombed to glass. How is that any less repugnant?
Of course, the region of the Middle East long had too many give an ideological and political cover for the fanatics down there. |
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