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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:05 am Post subject: 5 Questions for the New Electorate |
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That's the title of a decent piece of political analysis I ran across. The first part is a brief summary of what everyone has been saying about the changes in demographics, then goes on to ask 5 questions about whether the demographics will produce a new 'permanent' Democratic governing coalition.
I think it's worth reading. Here's the subtitle and first paragraph, plus the 5 questions but without the discussion that goes with them:
For a decade or more, we've been promised an electoral transformation: Younger voters, minorities, and women will prevail over the older, conservative majority. Is this the year the predictions come true?
For a decade, Democrats have heard promises that a durable electoral majority was just around the corner. It's easy to construct such a majority on paper: Racial minorities and young voters (those born after 1978) turn out at record levels, working-class whites suppress their socially conservative leanings to vote their pocketbooks, and suburban professionals and their spouses vote together as unified blue households. Such a coalition could obliterate the aging, white, male, socially conservative Republican base that has dominated American politics for most of the past three decades.
1) Can democrats do (even) better among women?
2) Or will unmarried women drift right?
3) Are today's young voters locked in?
4) Is the GOP drive for Hispanic voters over?
5) How many conservative evangelicals are there, really?
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http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=five_questions_about_the_new_electorate |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:19 am Post subject: |
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(I'm assuming Obama will be elected)
In my opinion, the coalition that Obama has put together will only last if he does a good job. The big mass of people in the middle of the US electorate is not particularly ideological. They are 'swayable' and right now they are particularly open to solutions. The governing party has first call on media time and that is a powerful tool. I watched it happen when Reagan was first elected. During his first term, I swear you could feel the ground beneath your feet lurching to the right.
If Obama can 1) present himself as president in a way that inspires confidence that things will get better and 2) that the way forward is to work as a community, not as self-centered individuals, emphasizing traditional values like hard work, toleration, progress toward the ideals in the founding documents, innovation etc. his governing coalition will control things for the next 30-40 years. |
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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008 Location: Down by the river
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: |
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I think that, when all is said and done, an Obama presidency will be put in power more-or-less by the same people who kept Bill Clinton in power. Probably there will be an increased black turnout, and maybe an increased college-educated youth turnout, but that wont represent a substantial incursion into GOP territory, since those groups already tended to be Democratic anyway.
Even if Obama does make some headway with disaffected Republicans, I think that support will pretty much have dissipated by the time the next election rolls around. After four years, people will have forgotten why they were so ticked off at the Republicans, and Obama will be viewed as just another politician, popular with his own party, not so much with the others. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
I think that, when all is said and done, an Obama presidency will be put in power more-or-less by the same people who kept Bill Clinton in power. Probably there will be an increased black turnout, and maybe an increased college-educated youth turnout, but that wont represent a substantial incursion into GOP territory, since those groups already tended to be Democratic anyway.
Even if Obama does make some headway with disaffected Republicans, I think that support will pretty much have dissipated by the time the next election rolls around. After four years, people will have forgotten why they were so ticked off at the Republicans, and Obama will be viewed as just another politician, popular with his own party, not so much with the others. |
I don't agree.
Bill Clinton got into power because Ross Perot split the GOP in '92. It helped enormously that Clinton was a Southern governor, but nonetheless. He stayed in office because it's quite difficult to oust a sitting president--and Dole was a weak candidate.
There will be an increased black turn-out, but there will be an increased turn-out in all or almost all demographics. This will be one of the big elections--over 60%.
I don't understand what you mean by
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incursion into GOP territory, since those groups already tended to be Democratic anyway.
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Your second paragraph:
If Obama does a crummy job, then I will agree with you. We'll chuck him.
The point I failed to clearly express before is that the huge center of the American public is not really committed to either party. (Americans are ideological, but that refers to the Constitution, not European ideas of ideology.) They tend to go along with whichever party is in power and parrot the talking points without thinking about the implications of the parties' philosophy.
Reaganism has burned a whole lot of people in the last few weeks. It did for a lot longer, but as long as its representatives could use other issues, like 'family values' and 'international terrorism', it could be covered over.
Now the chickens of Reaganim have come home to roost. Obama can't just dust off the old speeches of FDR and get anywhere, but he will have to capture the spirit of FDR... and then be Obama. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: |
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don't understand what you mean by Quote:
incursion into GOP territory, since those groups already tended to be Democratic anyway.
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Yata Boy:
What I meant was that Obama won't bring any currently Republican groups over to the Democratic side. He will rather get increased turnout from groups already in the Democratic column.
You could be right about what you're saying, especially if your comments about the "huge center" are correct. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
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don't understand what you mean by Quote:
incursion into GOP territory, since those groups already tended to be Democratic anyway.
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Yata Boy:
What I meant was that Obama won't bring any currently Republican groups over to the Democratic side. He will rather get increased turnout from groups already in the Democratic column.
You could be right about what you're saying, especially if your comments about the "huge center" are correct. |
Ah.
I think it's possible that some of the (turn-coat) Reagan Democrats could be brought back to the fold. I say that because I have seen 2 people on this forum say they are going to vote against their Republican representative in Congress (Contract With America types) ...which means they will either vote for a Democrat (hurray) or a 3rd party guy and help a Democrat. I can't say that I'm impressed with their political logic, but, hey!
PS: I know I'm right about the huge center. I swear that every book I've ever read about American politics says the same. |
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