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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:46 am Post subject: Olbermann, Witches, Secession and an old lady in Ohio |
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It may not be up to his best, but it's pretty good in light of McCain/Palin's attacks today and yesterday.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#27057346 |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:57 am Post subject: |
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Should you think this kind of thing is untoward, perhaps you should take a listen to Rachel Maddow's show where she shows the consequences of McCain's attack campaign.
Do the words "Terrorist!" or "Kill him!" register with you?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27057645#27058303 |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Wow! That's telling it like it is.
Listening to Olberman's litany, I was glad acid is illegal in Korea. My brain would have exploded!
This whole business with Palin and McCain is so bizarre, I think many people would have had trouble believing it, if it weren't for these new media like youtube, where anyone with eyes can see what is going on.
But if you think about it too hard, you have to wonder if the human race is going mad.
Is it? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: |
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My feeling is that we are edging into dangerous territory.
Just suppose that all these negative McCain ads work and Obama's numbers slip to the point where there is a tie in the Electoral College. In '00 Gore won the popular vote but the Supreme Court intervened and gave the election to Bush. Given today's heightened emotions on both sides, what might happen if the election went to the House?
Would the Right quietly stay at home in '08 like the Democrats did in '00? |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:17 am Post subject: |
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I don't think any of this mud is sticking. The mudslinging seems to be primarily for the entertainment of the Grand Old Pentacostal party base.
And I must say, I secretly enjoyed the retaliation by Obama, which has far more substance than mud, and see Olberman rip McCain and Palin new orifices. It's about time the Democrats stopped playing Mr. Nice Guy to the GOP's Scut Farkus.
Normally, the GOP waits till the last one to two weeks to launch the smears. This far out, there is time for response, and the attack will be old news by election day.
My fear, however, is that McCain's camp is really stirring up something nasty. These rallies, with their orchestrated BOOOOs by these white folks is not pretty. And then the tapes Rachel played. While the vast majority of their supporters are not bad people, some of them are nuts with guns.
If you really listen to what's going on with Palin's speeches and the orchestrated rallies, what you've got is pure hate mongering.
Sarah Palin is a hate monger. Plain and simple. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| It will work. Of course it will work. Americans are scared. Fear was used to get them into Iraq, to get them to bailout Wall Street. We all know this will work. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: |
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That's precisely the problem, it worked. And people remember the result. They have been inoculated, and the vaccination is good for a year or two. And by tossing such a wiffle ball strength accusation as this Bill Ayers thing, the McCain camp has provided a booster shot. The credibility of the McCain camp is shot.
This campaign keeps getting weirder and weirder. To wit:
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October 8, 2008
Kenya Detains U.S. Author Critical of Obama
By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
NAIROBI, Kenya � The American author of a best-selling book highly critical of Senator Barack Obama was detained by Kenyan immigration agents on Tuesday as he prepared to give a press conference in Nairobi.
Jerome R. Corsi, the conservative gadfly who wrote �The Obama Nation,� in which he attacks the Democratic presidential candidate, was being held Tuesday because he was trying to work in Kenya without a valid work permit, according to local media reports. The reports said that Mr. Corsi would likely be deported.
Elias Njeru, a spokesman for Kenya�s immigration department, said, �His immigration forms were not in order.�
When asked if Mr. Corsi would be deported, Mr. Njeru said he did not know and that Mr. Corsi was still being investigated.
�I don�t know whether he came here to work, but his papers indicated he was a visitor. If he was going to work, he would need different papers,� he said. �When he arrived, he said he was a visitor on holiday. If he started to work, that would be the problem.�
Eric Kiraithe, Kenya�s police spokesman, said he had heard the reports of Mr. Corsi�s arrest and was pushing the immigration department to release more information.
�I�ve just sent an officer to the immigration department and I should get more on this soon,� he said.
Many Kenyans would be very sensitive about Mr. Obama, the Democratic contender in the American presidential election next month. His father was Kenyan and many people here are intensely cheering him on. His photos have been plastered across the back of mini-buses and stories about the election are front page news almost every day.... |
WTF is he doing in Kenya?
a) He thinks he can sway some absentee votes to McCain.
b) He is looking for dirt against Obama.... in Kenya? His father lived there, not Obama. How far back are they going to go for accusations? Obama's great grandfather associated with a witch doctor?
c) He is really, genuinely, no kidding, on a vacation. With less than 30 days to go to the election.
d) He is wanted by the Grand Old Pentacostal party for thought crimes.
Weird.
The Rovian GOP used to be the chess masters.
This campaign is beginning to look like a match between a chess pro and an ADHD kid.
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: |
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WTF is he doing in Kenya?
a) He thinks he can sway some absentee votes to McCain.
b) He is looking for dirt against Obama.... in Kenya? His father lived there, not Obama. How far back are they going to go for accusations? Obama's great grandfather associated with a witch doctor?
c) He is really, genuinely, no kidding, on a vacation. With less than 30 days to go to the election.
d) He is wanted by the Grand Old Pentacostal party for thought crimes.
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e. He paid some Kenyan officials twenty bucks and a case of Coors to haul him in on a false flag "unjust detention", in order to make it look as if Obama has negro thugs around the world doing his bidding.
Okay, that's a little on the conspiratorial side, but see my post on McCain buying up porn domains on the internet to get an idea as to why I'm not ruling anything out.
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| It will work. Of course it will work. Americans are scared. Fear was used to get them into Iraq, to get them to bailout Wall Street. We all know this will work. |
It might work. It has before. But I don't think it will this time. When Joe 6-pack turns on the evening news he is looking for information about his economic situation, and what he sees from McCain and his pit bull with lipstick, in high heels but no gloves, is irrelevant stuff...and I think he will change the channel looking for someone who will talk sense to him about his concerns.
Sarah Palin will be remembered as a joke. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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October 8, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Mud Pies for �That One�
By MAUREEN DOWD
WASHINGTON
Some of John McCain�s friends, from the good old days when he talked straight, feared that his Greek tragedy would be that he would be defeated by George Bush twice: once in 2000, because of W.�s no-conscience campaigning, and again in 2008, because of W.�s no-brains governing.
But if McCain loses, he will have contributed to his own downfall by failing to live up to his personal standard of honor.
John McCain has long been torn between wanting to succeed and serving a higher cause. Right now, the drive to succeed is trumping any loftier aspirations. He cynically picked a running mate with less care than theater directors give to picking a leading actor�s understudy. And he has been running a seamy campaign originally designed by the bad seed of conservative politics, Lee Atwater.
It was adapted in 2000 in Atwater�s home state of South Carolina by Atwater acolytes in W.�s camp to harpoon McCain with rumors that he had fathered out of wedlock a black baby (as opposed to adopting a Bangladeshi infant girl in wedlock). Sulfurous Atwater-style rumor-mongering by Bush supporters � that McCain had come home from a Hanoi tiger cage with snakes in his head � aimed to stop him during that primary after he had zoomed in New Hampshire.
Atwater relished teaching rich, white Republicans to feign a connection to the common man so they could get in office and economically undermine the common man. In the 1988 campaign, the Machiavellian ran to help George Bush Sr. defeat Michael Dukakis with this unholy quintet of charges:
The Democrat was a �60s-style liberal who would raise taxes and take away guns. He was weak and would not protect the country militarily. He was a member of the elite �Harvard Yard�s boutique.� He had a foreign-sounding name and was not on �the American side.� He was on the side of the Scary Black Man.
Sound familiar?
Certainly, at some level, John McCain must be disgusted with himself for using the tactics perfected by the same crowd that used these tactics to derail him in 2000. He�s now curmudgeonly, even hostile, toward the press � the group he used to spend hours with every day and jokingly describe as his base.
He unleashed Sarah Palin to slime their opponent and suggested that the Democrat with the foreign-sounding name who came from the Harvard Yard boutique is not on the American side.
Campaigning last weekend, Palin cast their Democratic rival as �someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he�s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.�
The woman is sounding more Cheney than Cheney. Palin said that Obama�s relationship with the former Weatherman William Ayers proved that he did not have the �truthfulness and judgment� to be president. Asked by William Kristol if the Rev. Jeremiah Wright should be an issue, she said, �I don�t know why that association isn�t discussed more.�
Atwater gleefully tried to paint Willie Horton as Dukakis�s running mate. With a black man running, it�s even easier for Atwater�s disciple running McCain�s campaign to warn that white Americans should not open the door to the dangerous Other, or �That One,� as McCain referred to Obama in Tuesday night�s debate. (A cross between �The One� and �That Woman.�)
On Monday, McCain made Obama, who has been campaigning for almost two years now, sound like an ominous intruder, questioning his character and motives, telling a New Mexico crowd that �even at this late hour in the campaign, there are essential things we don�t know about Senator Obama ...
�All people want to know is: What has this man ever actually accomplished in government? What does he plan for America? In short: Who is the real Barack Obama?�
The new McCain TV ad, �Dangerous,� calls Obama �dishonorable,� �dangerous� and �too risky for America.�... |
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/opinion/08dowd.html?hp |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Friedman has a great op-ed on Palin today. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: |
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You're right. This is an excellent piece:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/opinion/08friedman.html?ref=opinion
I don't read Thomas Friedman regularly, so I'm glad you pointed it out to us.
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October 8, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Palin�s Kind of Patriotism
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Criticizing Sarah Palin is truly shooting fish in a barrel. But given the huge attention she is getting, you can�t just ignore what she has to say. And there was one thing she said in the debate with Joe Biden that really sticks in my craw. It was when she turned to Biden and declared: �You said recently that higher taxes or asking for higher taxes or paying higher taxes is patriotic. In the middle class of America, which is where Todd and I have been all of our lives, that�s not patriotic.�
What an awful statement. Palin defended the government�s $700 billion rescue plan. She defended the surge in Iraq, where her own son is now serving. She defended sending more troops to Afghanistan. And yet, at the same time, she declared that Americans who pay their fair share of taxes to support all those government-led endeavors should not be considered patriotic.
I only wish she had been asked: �Governor Palin, if paying taxes is not considered patriotic in your neighborhood, who is going to pay for the body armor that will protect your son in Iraq? Who is going to pay for the bailout you endorsed? If it isn�t from tax revenues, there are only two ways to pay for those big projects � printing more money or borrowing more money. Do you think borrowing money from China is more patriotic than raising it in taxes from Americans?� That is not putting America first. That is selling America first. |
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Gatsby
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Some of you may remember Maverick, the movie; some of you may even remember Maverick, the TV show. But do you know where the word "maverick" comes from?
It was the last name of a person, Samuel Augustus Maverick. And the family is not amused that Palin has sullied it.
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October 5, 2008
The Nation
Who You Callin� a Maverick?
By JOHN SCHWARTZ
There�s that word again: maverick. In Thursday�s vice-presidential debate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, the Republican candidate, used it to describe herself and her running mate, Senator John McCain, no fewer than six times, at one point calling him �the consummate maverick.�
But to those who know the history of the word, applying it to Mr. McCain is a bit of a stretch � and to one Texas family in particular it is even a bit offensive.
�I�m just enraged that McCain calls himself a maverick,� said Terrellita Maverick, 82, a San Antonio native who proudly carries the name of a family that has been known for its progressive politics since the 1600s, when an early ancestor in Boston got into trouble with the law over his agitation for the rights of indentured servants.
In the 1800s, Samuel Augustus Maverick went to Texas and became known for not branding his cattle. He was more interested in keeping track of the land he owned than the livestock on it, Ms. Maverick said; unbranded cattle, then, were called �Maverick�s.� The name came to mean anyone who didn�t bear another�s brand.
Sam Maverick�s grandson, Fontaine Maury Maverick, was a two-term congressman and a mayor of San Antonio who lost his mayoral re-election bid when conservatives labeled him a Communist. He served in the Roosevelt administration on the Smaller War Plants Corporation and is best known for another coinage. He came up with the term �gobbledygook� in frustration at the convoluted language of bureaucrats.
This Maverick�s son, Maury Jr., was a firebrand civil libertarian and lawyer who defended draft resisters, atheists and others scorned by society. He served in the Texas Legislature during the McCarthy era and wrote fiery columns for The San Antonio Express-News. His final column, published on Feb. 2, 2003, just after he died at 82, was an attack on the coming war in Iraq.
Terrellita Maverick, sister of Maury Jr., is a member emeritus of the board of the San Antonio chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas.
Considering the family�s long history of association with liberalism and progressive ideals, it should come as no surprise that Ms. Maverick insists that John McCain, who has voted so often with his party, �is in no way a maverick, in uppercase or lowercase.�
�It�s just incredible � the nerve! � to suggest that he�s not part of that Republican herd. Every time we hear it, all my children and I and all my family shrink a little and say, �Oh, my God, he said it again.� �
�He�s a Republican,� she said. �He�s branded.� |
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/weekinreview/05schwartz.html?em |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: |
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In a related event, we find out the true nature of Palin's supporters.
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| Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy." |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html
It's like I always said; McCain voters are either morons, racists, or religious nuts. To McCain's supporters on this board; Which one are you?
Conservatives are beginning to abandon this ticket to nowhere and the 50-state polls are showing Obama's lead get closer and closer to 400 EVs.
Palin is partly the reason why (for some), but McCain's shoddy debate performance is another.
The pundit class that used to kiss McCain's ancient ass have turned against him. Or you can say that they've become aware of the REAL McCain; a self-serving a-hole who doesn't care about this country and never did.
MAnn Coulter and the other conservative morons like to harp on Obama being a closet terrorist Muslim infiltrator. How interesting...seeing as how McCain has been a Manchurian Candidate this whole time. Look at his record; he's done more damage to this country since he's left Hanoi than when he was attacking Hanoi. |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| It will work. Of course it will work. Americans are scared. Fear was used to get them into Iraq, to get them to bailout Wall Street. We all know this will work. |
It might work. It has before. But I don't think it will this time. When Joe 6-pack turns on the evening news he is looking for information about his economic situation, and what he sees from McCain and his pit bull with lipstick, in high heels but no gloves, is irrelevant stuff...and I think he will change the channel looking for someone who will talk sense to him about his concerns.
Sarah Palin will be remembered as a joke. |
Palin scares the ever-living hell out of me. If Obama wins and we have 4 years of economic hardship (the Legacy of Bush), she'll be back in '12. She scares me because she's so ridiculously unqualified and above her head, but people still LOVE her! She's their "real woman". A June Cleaver with small tall charm, folksy wisdom, a bible, a gun, and fangs.
Bill Maher made an interesting point the other day when he said that if a video of Obama came out with some witch doctor (yes, a person who persecutes "witches" is a witch doctor) putting his hands on him, chanting about witchcraft, this election would be over.
She's a pentacostal evangelical which means she not only believes the End Times are near, but she HOPES they come in her lifetime and I don't think anyone wants someone like that with their finger near the button. If she prays that the troops in Iraq "who are on a mission from God" succeed she doesn't really mean that either; she's really paraphrasing Lincoln who said not to pray for God to be on our side but to pray that we were on the side of God. Sorry Sarah, but what you said in no way, shape or form is a paraphrase of Lincoln.
IT doesn't matter that her husband was a secessionist or that she shot a video in support of them as recently as this year! Her inability to name a magazine or newspaper she reads (despite being a journalism major at Uni) or name a Supreme Court Decision (other than RvW) aren't a reflection of her unsuitability for the job; they've somehow become Gotcha! questions. No one seems to give a sh!t about each ridiculous thing that comes out about her and that's scary.
If she comes off sounding like a fool, blame the "media" and its "filters", not her lack of knowledge on basic things. If she advocates attacking Pakistan to get OBL (counter to McCain's talking point and part of his arsenal against Obama), she doesn't "really mean it", it's the media's "spin". If she claims proximity to Russia as being "international experience" it's not bald-faced absurdity; it's "pretty reasonable" to think she knows Russia because they're pretty close.
Sarah Palin scares me because she lowers the bar even further than Bush and people love her all the more for it. |
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