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Who is the best party to lead Canada?
The Liberal Party of Canada
25%
 25%  [ 6 ]
The New Democratic Party of Canada
20%
 20%  [ 5 ]
The Green Party of Canada
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
The Progressive Conservative Party
54%
 54%  [ 13 ]
Total Votes : 24

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freethought



Joined: 13 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temporary wrote:
Liberal's = Commies
No. They wrecked the country. Ever since that Douche bag Trudeau. Money stealing douche bags that don't want to change the electoral system.

NDP=Marxist commies
Hell NO. I don't want to have more taxes. These guys are just pure idiots, when it comes to fiscal policies.

Green = Bunch of hippies with No platform to stand on.

PC.= Only way to go. Only party that cares about individual freedoms and property rights. The Country has been doing well and you can thank the Conservatives. Look at Alberta went from the Have Not province to HAVE thanks to Conservatives.


I haven't been on the board in a while but this is the stupidest write up I have seen on CDN parties in a long time. Either the author hasn't been in Canada since Trudeau, or they really are an ignorant twit.
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Temporary



Joined: 13 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You must be a from eastern side of Canada. I can just feel the Douchery eminating from you.
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freethought



Joined: 13 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was about the reply I was expecting, given your previous post. I'm a nice enough person from what would be 'central' canada, and as an educator I feel obligated to point out the errors you have made.

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Liberal's = Commies
No. They wrecked the country. Ever since that Douche bag Trudeau. Money stealing douche bags that don't want to change the electoral system.


Trudeau left office 24 years ago. A LOT has happened since then. During the last liberal admin Canada saw a shift from debt and deficits to balanced budgets and surpluses. The biggest expansion of the canadian economy (peace time) in the country's history. And perhaps the stupidest comment you made in the post was about changing the electoral system. You support the COnservatives and they have broken that pledge of changing the electoral system across the board (senate reform, proportional rep etc) and have now broken their own law on fixed election dates.

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NDP=Marxist commies
Hell NO. I don't want to have more taxes. These guys are just pure idiots, when it comes to fiscal policies.


The NDP have changed a great deal in the last 4 years, and you have to be completely ignorant of CDN politics to not know that. And to equate them to marxist, joking or not, again illustrates your ignorance

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Green = Bunch of hippies with No platform to stand on.


This is another major gaffe on your part. You support the COnservatives, but they were the last to release a platform. If I'm not mistaken, I'll give you one guess as to who had the first platform released. As to the hippies remark, they have traditionally been conservative on many, many issues.

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PC.= Only way to go. Only party that cares about individual freedoms and property rights. The Country has been doing well and you can thank the Conservatives. Look at Alberta went from the Have Not province to HAVE thanks to Conservatives.


This is not the most ignorant thing you wrote, but it is the stupidest. ALberta has done well because A) dinosaurs died millions of years ago and turned into oil, B) oil prices have gone up. Wouldn't matter who was running the province.

Then there's the individual freedoms remark--- one of their first votes upon assuming the government benches was to TAKE AWAY individual freedoms. They lost the vote. But that doesn;t negate the fact they tried to take rights away. And if your property rights comment is a reference to the gun registry, you have either never read the legislation (not surprisingly) and you never even visited the website. It only required a person to REGISTER their guns. It did not strip anyone (other than criminals) of the right to own a gun.

As for the country doing well, if you mean over the last 3 years or so, you will not find a single economist that will attribute that to anything other than the Liberal actions on the budget and debt and deficits.

But as a good conservative, I'm guessing you're not going to let facts get in the way of your politics or your rhetoric.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding individual liberty/freedom, Harper killed the legalization of pot. If you are free, if you have liberty, you should have the right to inhale whatever you please. If the state is telling you what substances you may and may not ingest, you are not free.

The Cons score poorly on this front. They were also against the extension of marriage to homosexuals, which is a violation of liberty.

I think Harper has generally been a good PM. But he isn't getting my vote for the reasons above and the war.
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prideofidaho



Joined: 19 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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reasons I left Canada. Regionalism...one-issue political partisanship...lame name-calling. At least make up something awesome, like cheese-eating surrender monkeys like groundskeeper willie...pfffft douchebag. So un-original. Wink

On another note,

Has anyone else been sorely disappointed by the lack of information provided by the Embassy. I emailed them weeks ago asking for clarification on the absentee ballot forms I found on Elections Canada, before there was any mention of the election on the main page of their website, and received no reply.

I then called them one afternoon only to find out that in order to ask questions about my legal right to vote and how to expedite the process (since our glorious nation allows enough time for the gestation of a marshmallow in order to campaign). I found out that I had to call between 8:30 and 11:30, Monday to Friday....times during which I work.

I finally got someone on the line and she told me that they had 'problems' sending replies to the automated email system they've got on their site. She ignored my query, stated that I simply had to send my application and passport to Ottawa by the 8th...well, I did that, and some fellow called SVRENQ replied told me my passport wasn't enough, and that I needed my driver's license. Well, the driver's license is lost and I don't drive. The bloody desire to have a proof of permanent address cost me the ability to vote...that, and the time-frame of the campaign.

So, my point is that whomever I vote for (next time, if there even is a next time) will be the bleeding heart that will be the most outraged by this insignificant bit of bureaucratic pussyfooting. That's how I feel about partisan politics. Worthless and degrading to our rights as individuals. Who do you think it will be? I kind of wish it could be Chretien so he could whip my kimchi-soaked driver's license out of a briefcase and scream 'This effing proof of permanent residency!!!'. I miss his charisma.
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Kimbop



Joined: 31 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harper stands for reducing government bureaucracy, limited free market health care, and more civil liberties such as free speech. Just as much as the next person, I don't want to see parents teaching their children the benefits or downfalls of Wahhabi islam, BUT, like Ezra Levant, I feel that the freedom to do so should exist.

The Cons have lowered income taxes and the gst; although you'll be free to keep paying them if you like!

The cons will abloish the Wheat board, giving farmers more freedom to sell wherever they want. When the Libs tried to abolish handguns in 2006, I bought two the very next day. Freedom is a warm gun: my grandfather is 87, and proudly displays this sign on his front door: "I don't call the police. I own 17 guns."

He's never had a break-in.

I'd also like the freedom to vote for my own senators. Politicallycorrect- Liberalfascist- administrative-tribunal- bigbrother- everyonehastherightto NOT beoffended- Liberals confiscate many more freedoms than they provide.

I'd like to see legalization of pot in North America, but it's not an election issue. yet.
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Temporary



Joined: 13 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbop wrote:
Harper stands for reducing government bureaucracy, limited free market health care, and more civil liberties such as free speech. Just as much as the next person, I don't want to see parents teaching their children the benefits or downfalls of Wahhabi islam, BUT, like Ezra Levant, I feel that the freedom to do so should exist.

The Cons have lowered income taxes and the gst; although you'll be free to keep paying them if you like!

The cons will abloish the Wheat board, giving farmers more freedom to sell wherever they want. When the Libs tried to abolish handguns in 2006, I bought two the very next day. Freedom is a warm gun: my grandfather is 87, and proudly displays this sign on his front door: "I don't call the police. I own 17 guns."

He's never had a break-in.

I'd also like the freedom to vote for my own senators. Politicallycorrect- Liberalfascist- administrative-tribunal- bigbrother- everyonehastherightto NOT beoffended- Liberals confiscate many more freedoms than they provide.

I'd like to see legalization of pot in North America, but it's not an election issue. yet.


Perfect. Some one did my job in responding Freethought.

Thanks dood.

Not to mention Liberals sold out Canada sovereignt. Shortly after 9/11 the Liberals ratified a US proposition that stated if there was sufficient evidence or threat or terrorism in Canada, the USA would and should send US soldiers into Canada with out Canadian autherization. I can't really come up with a good word for this.. Treason? maybe something else?

People Blame Harper for being an American puppet.. I support him, why because Canada largest trading partner is USA with 90% of our exporrts going to Yankee land. You think certain policies like Mary J legalization wouldn't effect Canadian economy..

Of the two evils of Alcohol and Mary J. I rather see Mary J, but the sad fact is that USA and its silly drug war would put so much preasure on the Canadian economy we would suffer from it.

To be honest with you I wouldn't mind seeing Smoking and Alcohol banned as well. It wouldn't effect me one bit.


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ernie



Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Location: asdfghjk

PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimbop,
your argument is very homer simpson-esque

In the Bear Patrol episode, Homer remarks that the Bear Patrol is working since there aren't any bears in town.

Lisa: "By that logic I could say that this rock keeps tigers away."
Homer: "How does that work?"
Lisa: "It doesn't."
Homer: "Lisa, I would like to buy your rock."
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Kimbop



Joined: 31 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ernie wrote:
kimbop,
your argument is very homer simpson-esque

In the Bear Patrol episode, Homer remarks that the Bear Patrol is working since there aren't any bears in town.

Lisa: "By that logic I could say that this rock keeps tigers away."
Homer: "How does that work?"
Lisa: "It doesn't."
Homer: "Lisa, I would like to buy your rock."


Constructive criticism. Not.

How about you take on Temporary? He's more on your level. No offense, Temporary.
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ernie



Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Location: asdfghjk

PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

your argument that having a sign that reads 'i own 17 guns' deters break-ins is faulty reasoning.

by your line of reasoning, i could argue that fans cause suffocation (since a couple of people were found dead with their fans running) or that lisa's magical rock keeps tigers away ('you don't see any tigers around, do you?').

if you think that having guns is a matter of freedom, then fine, i disagree with you but i'll admit you have a point. but don't use a BS argument to try to prove that guns reduce crime. ask someone in columbia whether the fact that anyone can buy a gun there for next to nothing makes them feel more or less safe.
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Kimbop



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suit yourself. Gramps lives in a rough neighborhood---most of his neighbors have had trouble with crime, and he refuses to move. Perhaps the sign alone deters criminals, although that's another discussion. Gramps has another one of them signs in his shop window. He feels much safer with it.

Kind of like how I feel safe in Nevada. (I have a concealed weapon permit for that state)

Don't worry, ernie: rest assured you would be safe in my home! And if someone robs a bank while I'm in it, consider him as good as dead!

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ernie



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guns are much more likely to harm their owner (or their family/friends) than an intruder. i'd feel safer (and statistically speaking, BE safer) in your home if you didn't have a gun!
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RACETRAITOR



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Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's funny that the majority of people who voted chose a party that NO LONGER EXISTS. The PCs and the Conservatives are two very different parties on the federal level. The PCs still exist in Alberta, but that province shouldn't thank the PCs for their success--they should thank the dinosaurs for dying there millions of years ago. And while the PCs might sometimes seem similar to dinosaurs, they are very different. When the Alberta economy collapses in a few years (exactly how it did in the '80s, which no one seems to remember), it will be the PCs' fault for not investing enough oil profits back into diversifying the economy.

As for "individual rights," the only individual rights the Conservatives (as well as the Alberta PCs) support are the ones pertaining to owning businesses or worshipping imaginary friends. They are not for freedom of speech, as when the party formed (in a previous incarnation) they all of a sudden kicked out all white supremacist members (which I support, anyway).

One thing Harper has going for him: he's increased Canada's presence in the north and taken a harder stance on border issues, even against the US. I do wish he would try a little harder to get that $5 billion the US owes us.
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Temporary



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
It's funny that the majority of people who voted chose a party that NO LONGER EXISTS. The PCs and the Conservatives are two very different parties on the federal level. The PCs still exist in Alberta, but that province shouldn't thank the PCs for their success--they should thank the dinosaurs for dying there millions of years ago. And while the PCs might sometimes seem similar to dinosaurs, they are very different. When the Alberta economy collapses in a few years (exactly how it did in the '80s, which no one seems to remember), it will be the PCs' fault for not investing enough oil profits back into diversifying the economy.

As for "individual rights," the only individual rights the Conservatives (as well as the Alberta PCs) support are the ones pertaining to owning businesses or worshipping imaginary friends.


Yeah like the Liberals would invest that money in anything constructive. YEars and Years of liberal bneheadedness has led Canada down the tubes..
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temporary wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
It's funny that the majority of people who voted chose a party that NO LONGER EXISTS. The PCs and the Conservatives are two very different parties on the federal level. The PCs still exist in Alberta, but that province shouldn't thank the PCs for their success--they should thank the dinosaurs for dying there millions of years ago. And while the PCs might sometimes seem similar to dinosaurs, they are very different. When the Alberta economy collapses in a few years (exactly how it did in the '80s, which no one seems to remember), it will be the PCs' fault for not investing enough oil profits back into diversifying the economy.

As for "individual rights," the only individual rights the Conservatives (as well as the Alberta PCs) support are the ones pertaining to owning businesses or worshipping imaginary friends.


Yeah like the Liberals would invest that money in anything constructive. YEars and Years of liberal bneheadedness has led Canada down the tubes..


Can't say the same thing about Alberta, which has an underfunded arts scene, a lack of white-colour jobs, and pretty well a lack of anything not connected with oil.
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