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| Who is the best party to lead Canada? |
| The Liberal Party of Canada |
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25% |
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| The New Democratic Party of Canada |
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20% |
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| The Green Party of Canada |
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0% |
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| The Progressive Conservative Party |
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54% |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
It's funny that the majority of people who voted chose a party that NO LONGER EXISTS. The PCs and the Conservatives are two very different parties on the federal level. The PCs still exist in Alberta, but that province shouldn't thank the PCs for their success--they should thank the dinosaurs for dying there millions of years ago. And while the PCs might sometimes seem similar to dinosaurs, they are very different. When the Alberta economy collapses in a few years (exactly how it did in the '80s, which no one seems to remember), it will be the PCs' fault for not investing enough oil profits back into diversifying the economy.
As for "individual rights," the only individual rights the Conservatives (as well as the Alberta PCs) support are the ones pertaining to owning businesses or worshipping imaginary friends. They are not for freedom of speech, as when the party formed (in a previous incarnation) they all of a sudden kicked out all white supremacist members (which I support, anyway).
One thing Harper has going for him: he's increased Canada's presence in the north and taken a harder stance on border issues, even against the US. I do wish he would try a little harder to get that $5 billion the US owes us. |
Apparently the PCs still exist for provincial politics in several provinces.
Alberta's been working on diversifying their economy. Google it. And name a gov't at any level in North America that wasn't running high deficits in the 80s; commodity prices were low, interest rates were high, etc. Alberta now has the lowest taxes in Canada; sales, municipal, and income.
As for freedom of speech, ask Mark Steyn or Ezra Levant who they support in Canadian politics. Ask Syed Soharwardy as well, although he may be reluctact to admit it. (as far as freedom of speech goes) And guess which party Richard Warman is a card carrying member of.
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guns are much more likely to harm their owner (or their family/friends) than an intruder. i'd feel safer (and statistically speaking, BE safer) in your home if you didn't have a gun! |
Correlation, not causation, my Canadian friend! |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimbop wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
It's funny that the majority of people who voted chose a party that NO LONGER EXISTS. The PCs and the Conservatives are two very different parties on the federal level. The PCs still exist in Alberta, but that province shouldn't thank the PCs for their success--they should thank the dinosaurs for dying there millions of years ago. And while the PCs might sometimes seem similar to dinosaurs, they are very different. When the Alberta economy collapses in a few years (exactly how it did in the '80s, which no one seems to remember), it will be the PCs' fault for not investing enough oil profits back into diversifying the economy.
As for "individual rights," the only individual rights the Conservatives (as well as the Alberta PCs) support are the ones pertaining to owning businesses or worshipping imaginary friends. They are not for freedom of speech, as when the party formed (in a previous incarnation) they all of a sudden kicked out all white supremacist members (which I support, anyway).
One thing Harper has going for him: he's increased Canada's presence in the north and taken a harder stance on border issues, even against the US. I do wish he would try a little harder to get that $5 billion the US owes us. |
Apparently the PCs still exist for provincial politics in several provinces.
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| Kimbop wrote: |
Alberta's been working on diversifying their economy. Google it. And name a gov't at any level in North America that wasn't running high deficits in the 80s; commodity prices were low, interest rates were high, etc. Alberta now has the lowest taxes in Canada; sales, municipal, and income.
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Alberta was hit extra hard because of fluctuations in natural resources prices, which was and is again the main industry of the province. If the economy is diversifying enough to survive when oil prices go down, I'll be very surprised.
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As for freedom of speech, ask Mark Steyn or Ezra Levant who they support in Canadian politics. Ask Syed Soharwardy as well, although he may be reluctact to admit it. (as far as freedom of speech goes) And guess which party Richard Warman is a card carrying member of.
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Guess which two of those three I think are the most full of s#!t. |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Location: asdfghjk
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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i understand what you mean: someone who is in an already unsafe situation is more likely to buy a gun (and therefore be harmed by that gun) than someone whose life is peachy so owning a gun doesn't necessarily prove a direct relationship (although it certainly doesn't disprove it, either) between gun ownership and gun violence.
but that doesn't change the fact that if i enter a gun-owning household, i am actually less safe there than in a house without guns because i am more likely to be harmed by their gun, or to a lesser extent, an intruder's gun.
my point is:
increased exposure to guns (friendly or non-friendly) = increased susceptibility to gun violence |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ernie wrote: |
my point is:
increased exposure to guns (friendly or non-friendly) = increased susceptibility to gun violence |
Still a correlation, and not absolute! The statistics are true, and you can trust them to an extent, but you can also trust me as an individual! If all gun owners were as smart and responsible as me, we'd have very little gun violence. (Aside from the bank robbers)
Think cigarette smokers among a prison population. Most smoke, but when I was in prison, I didn't!
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Guess which two of those three I think are the most full of s#!t. |
I care not as to why you think they're full of s!*t. A much more interesting question would be whether you believe that their freedom of speech (or freedom of the press) should be taken away. (Which is what we're discussing) Alternatively you can vote liberal, petition to have more chrc's, and shut those jerks the heck up! Yay freedom of speech! |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Just got back from the polls. First time I voted in 8 years. I voted for the Marxist Leninist Party. A protest vote. I wanted my vote to count in the voter turn out but no one deserved my vote. Harper didn't run on his record but just tried to scare us about the Libs. The Libs are run by an abject idiot. The NDP couldn't govern. I didn't want the Greens to think they have growing supporters. The only other candidate in my riding was the pinko dirty commie.
In my life I've voted:
PC
Reform
Liberal
NDP
and now Marxist! |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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In my life I've voted:
PC
Reform
Liberal
NDP
and now Marxist! |
You were not one of the 55,000 who've voted for the Marijuana Party of Canada?  |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently the Canadians here, on this messageboard, as shown when we compare this poll with the election that is unfolding right now, go even further to the left than mainstream "Joe Canada." Go figure.
Finally, as I guy who has always loved Bob and Doug, I do not understand at all how "take off, hoser" has become an insult to Canadians. Puzzling. Everything changes, I imagine.
Take off to the Great White North
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Location: asdfghjk
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i'm just relieved that that douchebag only won a minority.
i'm not sure if this is the final result, but:
Conservatives 144
Liberals 74
Bloc 50
NDP 38
Ind 2
Green 0
(155 seats needed to form a majority)
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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Looks like another conservative minority, surprise surprise. I wish some more people would grow a pair, take a risk and vote for actual change.
That and if we elected the NDP and they wrecked the economy through rampant social plans then I'd be making much more CAD in Korea.  |
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alex83
Joined: 03 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like another conservative minority, surprise surprise. I wish some more people would grow a pair, take a risk and vote for actual change.
That and if we elected the NDP and they wrecked the economy through rampant social plans then I'd be making much more CAD in Korea. |
Genius! Next election, Layton has my vote.
How long you think...another 4 months?  |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| ernie wrote: |
i'm just relieved that that douchebag only won a minority.
i'm not sure if this is the final result, but:
Conservatives 144
Liberals 74
Bloc 50
NDP 38
Ind 2
Green 0
(155 seats needed to form a majority) |
Yeah, best of both worlds I think. The PCs need only one other party. They'll have to give everyone something at some time. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Looks like another conservative minority, surprise surprise. I wish some more people would grow a pair, take a risk and vote for actual change.
That and if we elected the NDP and they wrecked the economy through rampant social plans then I'd be making much more CAD in Korea. |
This comment shows how much you grasp Canadian politics.
People in a democracy vote for who they want. In Canada we have more than just a two party system.
However, the Bloc shouldn't be allowed to be a federal party as they don't have any other members outside Quebec. Those 50 seats basically leave the rest of Canada to decide which party gets a majority. I don't know why the hell the Liberals/Conservatives want to cater to Quebec. Let them have their Bloc, don't give them any say in federal politics, and eventually they will realize how stupid it is having a regional based federal party that can't do anything effective in parliament.
How are we going to vote for change? It's always same old, same old in Canada, just with a different wrapper. Voting for Harper and his Conservatives wasn't change...yet it seemed he got slightly more votes.
Voting for the Liberals would have meant change, but Dion is a useless leader. Most of the country can't even understand him as he is French. Plus the Liberals were weak on their platform.
This election was a joke. I voted, but my vote didn't do much as I live in a bastion of Conservatives - I'll never vote Conservative.
Canadians need a system that represents the popular vote more, that is forsure. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:00 am Post subject: |
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I'm glad we have a minority government. That basically means a government that can't get away with much without being held accountable. In other words, small government.
As for the NDP, they've proven to have no leadership skills, but it's great that we have a diversity of political parties, rather than forcing people who support the NDP to swing right and support the Liberals. The NDP play an important role in tipping the scale properly, something even the Conservatives see the necessity of (or maybe they just want to split the left). |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:45 am Post subject: |
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I'm happy with the results too. It's pretty much exactly what I had hoped would happen. I wanted to see about 150 seats for the Conservatives though because it would have been interesting to see if they would be able to pick up enough defectors later on to get a majority.
Here's the rest of what I wrote on the election (first paragraph before the results came in):
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I really like the Green Party, but I'm not much of a fan of May's leadership. She's a bit too risky (challenging Peter McKay for a seat when she could have gone for a seat she could have actually won instead) and doesn't make as good a case for the party as she could, always seeming to portray it as a party you might want to vote for, but hey, Liberal's pretty good too so vote for them if you want. I don't see much of a future in a party that is willing to throw away votes that easily. Let's not forget that votes = party funding in Canada, and there's no guarantee that Green Party support is going to go up again next election. For all we know there could be a split vote, the Conservatives will gain in seats and those that voted for the Green Party will think: 1) Voting for the Green Party = more Conservatives, and 2) The Green Party leader believes that a vote for the Liberals is just about as good, so why not vote for them next time?
Edit: So far the Greens have increased their vote from 4% to 6% (though they've usually done best in Alberta and the West so that'll probably go up a bit) and May has lost her bid for the seat to Peter McKay, coming in second. Had she gone for a safer seat she could have been in Parliament this time.
Edit 2: Wow, the election has turned out exactly the way I had hoped. There's been precious little news about the Green Party so I'm not sure what the talk is inside there about May's leadership but nobody seems to be happy with the election today except Jack Layton so I don't expect they'll be all that content with these results either. It's good to see that Marc Garneau was elected as well, considering that he was the first Canadian in space and the country needs more people that understand the importance of space development. I'd love to see him as the next leader. I don't know enough about him to ascertain whether he would be a good prime minister, but so far so good.
Edit 3: This is also going to be the last election where the opposition party was able to try to tie Stephen Harper to George Bush. Assuming that Barack Obama is going to be the next president, there'll be no anti-Republican drum to beat next time around.
Edit 4: Silly article here on the Greens that has the following: "The party even made an impression in oil-rich Alberta, receiving nine per cent of the popular vote with most polls reporting results." <-- What's with this "even in oil-rich Alberta"? Alberta is where they had their best showing last time as well with 6.5% of the vote. It's places like the Maritimes and Quebec where a good result would warrant using the word even. Newfoundland gave them a pitiful 0.9% of the vote in 2006, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick just over 2%. The assumption that Alberta would not vote for the Greens because of its oil is completely unfounded and there's not a shred of evidence to back that up. |
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