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smwood
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| ... so. Does that mean the original install disks for the extra software are included? If so, that's one heck of a deal. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, if the deal includes the transfer of all of those licenses then it is a fair price. I'll take it right now for 900,000 and pick it up as soon as I can verify that I have the licenses. I don't need the install disks.
Is that right Crescent? I'm serious. If all the transfers are included I'll take it. I will also pay you another 50,000 for the inconvenience of transferring the licenses. (Sorry, my visa restrictions prevents me from accepting the Chief Web-surfer position).
Lemme know.
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| Trevor wrote: |
Crescent, they are fully licensed to YOU, not the person you sell the computer to. Now one more fast one from you, and I'll call Spliff over to settle this 
Let's not belabor it. You are continuing to suggest that you are providing added value from unlicensed software and buyers as well as sellers should be made aware that that is not relevant to the value of the computer. |
You, sir, deserve a patented o-mai-gawd. The software is fully licensed to the production company I started years ago. I'm sure it can be brought back to life as long as there aren't any expectations. It covers the use of 3 computers; my laptop, my iMac, and my ex-partner's iMac.
And now, for an added bonus, the buyer of the computer will also receive an offer of lifetime employment with my company as Chief Web Surfer. I will personally grant lifetime, guaranteed employment in my company for a generous salary of 75thousand electro-enjoy-o-bucks / year. Your only employment responsibility is to use the computer and the software any way you see fit. You may terminate your employment at any time.
If that still doesn't satisfy you, I will notify the software companies of a license transfer. It's completely possible, but a bit of a pain
I'm sure all those sophisticated mac owners you spoke of will already know that though.
... and please don't think I care what Quife has to say.
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm. Ouch. I'd rather NOT transfer, but I will if the other 2 offers I have fall through.
Here's why.
Reason 4 requires that I use the printed authorization card assigned to my company. Once it's gone, then I can't sell my other copy.
Logic 8 requires that I no longer use the software.
One person is coming to take a look at it tomorrow, and if that doesn't work out, can you wait until next weekend? |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, let me know. I can do a little better on the price if it includes license transfers.
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Hmm. Ouch. I'd rather NOT transfer, but I will if the other 2 offers I have fall through.
Here's why.
Reason 4 requires that I use the printed authorization card assigned to my company. Once it's gone, then I can't sell my other copy.
Logic 8 requires that I no longer use the software.
One person is coming to take a look at it tomorrow, and if that doesn't work out, can you wait until next weekend? |
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smwood
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Well I'd be seriously interested in buying Logic 8 and the Garageband loops disks if you want to sell them separately.
Cheers,
~ smw |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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I still want use the software, so selling my rights to it is something I'd rather avoid.
Instead, I thought I'd offer it as an incentive to buying the computer. It would be fully operational, and there would be no limitations to adding future software updates. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Which brings us back to my original point! You are using unlicensed software to add the illusion of value to your computer. I even agreed to pay you a premium for the licenses and you backed off.
As for the updates, how am I going to purchase updates if I don't own the software? I am supposed to purchase updates for software that you own? How nice (for you).
I gave fair warning several posts ago that I would call Spliff if there was any more of these shenanigans. Fair is fair.  
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I still want use the software, so selling my rights to it is something I'd rather avoid.
Instead, I thought I'd offer it as an incentive to buying the computer. It would be fully operational, and there would be no limitations to adding future software updates. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Trevor wrote: |
Which brings us back to my original point! You are using unlicensed software to add the illusion of value to your computer. I even agreed to pay you a premium for the licenses and you backed off.
As for the updates, how am I going to purchase updates if I don't own the software? I am supposed to purchase updates for software that you own? How nice (for you).
I gave fair warning several posts ago that I would call Spliff if there was any more of these shenanigans. Fair is fair. |
Shenanigans my ass. Don't criticize my deal because you can't get it all for a song.
I don't care about your opinion on how much the software is worth. I priced the computer without the software in mind.
I am including the apps as an incentive. They are great apps and work fine regardless of who owns the license.
900,00won is quite fair for the hardware I have, and unless you can point me to a better deal for the same package, your opinion is nothing.
You said you would pay 50bucks more for the licenses, and I find that very insulting. I backed off because theres no need to sell the apps. ANd I would never sell them for anything less than half price.
As for d'loading more updates, it is easy. I'm surprised as a mac user, you wouldn't know that Logic has automatic free updates regardless of the name of the user. I know this because my business partner has done exactly what I'm doing now. The buyer of his computer has been able to updat Logic 8, and patches for the other software is available free on torrent sites.
You keep threatening me with Quife, as if I care. I have one person willing to buy the computer, and he doesn't even know what those apps are for.
NOw, are you going to show me a better deal, or keep your petty argument going? |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Oh, as I said earlier, it is a fine system and I never balked at the price. I think it is fairly reasonable, although Apple is expected to announce new price points next week for some of their computers, which may have a negative impact on the value of a used IMAC.
The fact is, though, you said:
"If that still doesn't satisfy you, I will notify the software companies of a license transfer. It's completely possible, but a bit of a pain" (Your emphasis).
You indicated that there would be no price hike for this favor.
Then, after I offered to pay a premium without even being asked to (because you are correct, it is a pain) you then said:
"You said you would pay 50bucks more for the licenses, and I find that very insulting. I backed off because theres no need to sell the apps. ANd I would never sell them for anything less than half price" (My emphasis).
If you found that 'very insulting' then why did you write:
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Hmm. Ouch. I'd rather NOT transfer, but I will if the other 2 offers I have fall through.
Here's why.
Reason 4 requires that I use the printed authorization card assigned to my company. Once it's gone, then I can't sell my other copy.
Logic 8 requires that I no longer use the software.
One person is coming to take a look at it tomorrow, and if that doesn't work out, can you wait until next weekend? |
And wait a minute. Half price? First they were gratis with the computer. Are you going to claim that you implicitly assumed a $1500 premium without telling anybody?
These are your words, Crescent. You're in a hole. Stop digging. It's a fine system and I wish you luck with the sale.
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| Trevor wrote: |
Which brings us back to my original point! You are using unlicensed software to add the illusion of value to your computer. I even agreed to pay you a premium for the licenses and you backed off.
As for the updates, how am I going to purchase updates if I don't own the software? I am supposed to purchase updates for software that you own? How nice (for you).
I gave fair warning several posts ago that I would call Spliff if there was any more of these shenanigans. Fair is fair. |
Shenanigans my ass. Don't criticize my deal because you can't get it all for a song.
I don't care about your opinion on how much the software is worth. I priced the computer without the software in mind.
I am including the apps as an incentive. They are great apps and work fine regardless of who owns the license.
900,00won is quite fair for the hardware I have, and unless you can point me to a better deal for the same package, your opinion is nothing.
You said you would pay 50bucks more for the licenses, and I find that very insulting. I backed off because theres no need to sell the apps. ANd I would never sell them for anything less than half price.
As for d'loading more updates, it is easy. I'm surprised as a mac user, you wouldn't know that Logic has automatic free updates regardless of the name of the user. I know this because my business partner has done exactly what I'm doing now. The buyer of his computer has been able to updat Logic 8, and patches for the other software is available free on torrent sites.
You keep threatening me with Quife, as if I care. I have one person willing to buy the computer, and he doesn't even know what those apps are for.
NOw, are you going to show me a better deal, or keep your petty argument going? |
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fasequeira
Joined: 20 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: |
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This model sells for anywhere from 750,000 to 850,000, depending on upgrades and length of use, on the Korean used mac sites. With the AppleCare, it is not a ridiculous price, but on the upper end of the scale.
Used aluminum models can be found for as low as 850,000 if you look around. BUT you need to know Korean or have someone to help you.
For someone interested in recording or music production, the software is a great plus, but if they want to setup the computer with a fresh install, they will be essentially useless without the appropriate cds and serials. Hence, the price of the software was not included.
This isn't an amazing deal (for the hardware) , but it is not a complete rip-off either. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: |
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'Nuff said.
Can you point me to the Korean site that you mentioned? I may want to puchase one eventually. It looks like things aren't working out too good between me and Crescent 
| fasequeira wrote: |
This model sells for anywhere from 750,000 to 850,000, depending on upgrades and length of use, on the Korean used mac sites. With the AppleCare, it is not a ridiculous price, but on the upper end of the scale.
Used aluminum models can be found for as low as 850,000 if you look around. BUT you need to know Korean or have someone to help you.
For someone interested in recording or music production, the software is a great plus, but if they want to setup the computer with a fresh install, they will be essentially useless without the appropriate cds and serials. Hence, the price of the software was not included.
This isn't an amazing deal (for the hardware) , but it is not a complete rip-off either. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| Trevor wrote: |
"If that still doesn't satisfy you, I will notify the software companies of a license transfer. It's completely possible, but a bit of a pain" (Your emphasis).
You indicated that there would be no price hike for this favor.
Then, after I offered to pay a premium without even being asked to (because you are correct, it is a pain) you then said:
"You said you would pay 50bucks more for the licenses, and I find that very insulting. I backed off because theres no need to sell the apps. ANd I would never sell them for anything less than half price" (My emphasis).
If you found that 'very insulting' then why did you write:
| crescent wrote: |
Hmm. Ouch. I'd rather NOT transfer, but I will if the other 2 offers I have fall through.
Here's why.
Reason 4 requires that I use the printed authorization card assigned to my company. Once it's gone, then I can't sell my other copy.
Logic 8 requires that I no longer use the software.
One person is coming to take a look at it tomorrow, and if that doesn't work out, can you wait until next weekend? |
And wait a minute. Half price? First they were gratis with the computer. Are you going to claim that you implicitly assumed a $1500 premium without telling anybody? |
Lets not confuse things, ok? Stop twisting my words.
1. I offered the apps to be left on the computer at no extra charge.
2. I contemplated transfering the apps, UNTIL I found out that it affects me too much. I was replying as diplomatically as I could. BUt then you got nasty, and frankly i didn't want to negotiate anything with you.
3. If a license transfer is necesary to sell the package, then I wanrt to be compensated fairly.
The bottom line is the computer is fairly priced. The software is licensed and can be upgraded in the future regardless of the user. It is a bonus.
You attempted to get something for basically nothning and after looking into my license agreement and what it means, I decided against it.
Ok?
Do not accuse me of lying, or playing games. I have more reason to think you are the one manipulating this discussion.
Now, if anyone would like to see the system, test it, look at my paperwork, you are welcome to it. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Good luck with the sale, Crescent. However, there are a few things that have been made clear in our discussion:
1) You are not an idiot
2) You never had any intention of selling me $3,000 worth of software as a freebie with your IMAC, despite telling this forum (in bold type) that you would, if asked. When I did ask, and even offered a small premium over your asking price, you said:
| crescent wrote: |
Hmm. Ouch. I'd rather NOT transfer, but I will if the other 2 offers I have fall through.
Here's why.
Reason 4 requires that I use the printed authorization card assigned to my company. Once it's gone, then I can't sell my other copy.
Logic 8 requires that I no longer use the software.
One person is coming to take a look at it tomorrow, and if that doesn't work out, can you wait until next weekend? |
It's a damned glaring quote.
You own a production company and clearly understand the value and transferability of software. Therefore:
C) You were not communicating the terms of the sale in a completely forthright manner, and obviously you knew you weren't. Granted, I backed you into a corner on the license issue. I'm not calling you a liar, per se. I am merely suggesting you have some 'challenges' ahead in communicating fair value and your true intentions to prospective buyers. Sometimes that's difficult in an impersonal, online forum.
I think that's a fair and balanced way to put it. 
| crescent wrote: |
| Trevor wrote: |
"If that still doesn't satisfy you, I will notify the software companies of a license transfer. It's completely possible, but a bit of a pain" (Your emphasis).
You indicated that there would be no price hike for this favor.
Then, after I offered to pay a premium without even being asked to (because you are correct, it is a pain) you then said:
"You said you would pay 50bucks more for the licenses, and I find that very insulting. I backed off because theres no need to sell the apps. ANd I would never sell them for anything less than half price" (My emphasis).
If you found that 'very insulting' then why did you write:
| crescent wrote: |
Hmm. Ouch. I'd rather NOT transfer, but I will if the other 2 offers I have fall through.
Here's why.
Reason 4 requires that I use the printed authorization card assigned to my company. Once it's gone, then I can't sell my other copy.
Logic 8 requires that I no longer use the software.
One person is coming to take a look at it tomorrow, and if that doesn't work out, can you wait until next weekend? |
And wait a minute. Half price? First they were gratis with the computer. Are you going to claim that you implicitly assumed a $1500 premium without telling anybody? |
Lets not confuse things, ok? Stop twisting my words.
1. I offered the apps to be left on the computer at no extra charge.
2. I contemplated transfering the apps, UNTIL I found out that it affects me too much. I was replying as diplomatically as I could. BUt then you got nasty, and frankly i didn't want to negotiate anything with you.
3. If a license transfer is necesary to sell the package, then I wanrt to be compensated fairly.
The bottom line is the computer is fairly priced. The software is licensed and can be upgraded in the future regardless of the user. It is a bonus.
You attempted to get something for basically nothning and after looking into my license agreement and what it means, I decided against it.
Ok?
Do not accuse me of lying, or playing games. I have more reason to think you are the one manipulating this discussion.
Now, if anyone would like to see the system, test it, look at my paperwork, you are welcome to it. |
Last edited by Trevor on Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:00 pm; edited 8 times in total |
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lion
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| smwood wrote: |
Well I'd be seriously interested in buying Logic 8 and the Garageband loops disks if you want to sell them separately.
Cheers,
~ smw |
And I'd be interested should you decide you're willing to part with the NI Komplete disks/license separately. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Trevor wrote: |
Good luck with the sale, Crescent. However, there are a few things that have been made clear in our discussion:
1) You are not an idiot
2) You never had any intention of selling me $3,000 worth of software as a freebie with your IMAC, despite telling this forum (in bold type) that you would, if asked. When I did ask, and even offered a small premium over your asking price, you said:
You own a production company and clearly understand the value and transferability of software. Therefore:
C) You were not communicating the terms of the sale in a completely forthright manner, and obviously you knew you weren't. Granted, I backed you into a corner on the license issue. I'm not calling you a liar, per se. I am merely suggesting you have some 'challenges' ahead in communicating fair value and your true intentions to prospective buyers. Sometimes that's difficult in an impersonal, online forum.
I think that's a fair and balanced way to put it. |
I thought you "moved on", Trevor? So, by moving on, you call me an 'idiot' and continue to cut and paste your crap?
Life sucks. You can't get full riights to all that stuff for 50bucks. Start another thread about it, call your mommy and cry.
You're right, I never had any intention of giving away my rights. If there was a way to make a transfer and keep my rights, I would. But such is not the case.
Each software license I have is different. Despite what your crystal ball tells you, I didn't know the specifics of each license. After checking, I realized a transfer would be too much to bear. I intended on offering the apps as an incentive. I've said that countless times.
You acted like an ass. You manipulated the discussion (and still are), so I tried to tell you to fark off as diplomatically as possible.
Now, you are STILL suggesting my pricing has something to do with the software. It doesn't.
So, as idiots go, take a good hard look in the mirror. It took you 8 attempts to cut and paste your last post. Maybe computers are too much of a challenge for you? |
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