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ulsanchris
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On the colbert report they had one of the political analysts from CNN on the show. The guy said that McCain hired the team that got Bush elected and that it was them, not McCain, that was leading the push to demonize Obama. He also believed that it was a big mistake. McCain has to rein in his advisers and Palin and tell them to smarten up.
I think that this will just mess up McCain's hope of ever being President. |
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DCJames
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I really don't think McCain expected things to get so extreme. |
McCain changed his tune when the polls showed the American public was being turned off by this negative campaining and started questioning McCain's morals. THAT'S when McCain started to become "honorable".
McCain started all of it deliberately. Calling him "That One" and saying he palled around with terrorists were carefully constructed startegies to associate Obama with terrorism. When it started backfiring in his face he quickly flipped to save his campaign further damage and started to sound like he was taking the high road. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| McCain changed his tune when the polls showed the American public was being turned off by this negative campaining and started questioning McCain's morals. THAT'S when McCain started to become "honorable". |
What "polls?" And who is "the American public" in your construction here? A monolithic block that agrees and passes unanimous judgment on this or that?
Ignorant simplicity at its best. |
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DCJames
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| DCJames wrote: |
| McCain changed his tune when the polls showed the American public was being turned off by this negative campaining and started questioning McCain's morals. THAT'S when McCain started to become "honorable". |
What "polls?" And who is "the American public" in your construction here? A monolithic block that agrees and passes unanimous judgment on this or that?
Ignorant simplicity at its best. |
The internal polls that BOTH campaigns use to gauge what currently employed strategies are working or not.
And yes, these internal polls represent the American public or at least certain demographics of the American public each campaign is targeting. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| DCJames wrote: |
| McCain started all of it deliberately. Calling him "That One" and saying he palled around with terrorists were carefully constructed startegies to associate Obama with terrorism. When it started backfiring in his face he quickly flipped to save his campaign further damage and started to sound like he was taking the high road. |
Let's not forget the role Palin played in all this. He hired her as an "attack dog", a "pitbull" and that's exactly what she did. All he had to do was repeat "Just who is Barack Obama?" a few times and let her make all the terrorist connections at rallies and for Sean Hannity (also guilty here). It was a bizarre and shameful circus sideshow, which is what I've been calling his campaign for the last couple of months. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: |
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The guy said that McCain hired the team that got Bush elected and that it was them, not McCain, that was leading the push to demonize Obama. He also believed that it was a big mistake. McCain has to rein in his advisers and Palin and tell them to smarten up.
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Weren't these people the same ones who spread rumours about McCain fathering illegitimate mixed-race children during the 2000 primaries? If so, I really find it hard to believe that he wasn't interested in sleaze tactics when he hired them. He would have had first-hand knowledge what they were all about.
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McCain changed his tune when the polls showed the American public was being turned off by this negative campaining and started questioning McCain's morals. THAT'S when McCain started to become "honorable".
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Exactly. I think McCain's defenders on this thread are being influenced by his previously-secured reputation as an honorable gentleman who does not stoop to low tactics. Regardless of whether that reputation was ever deserved, I certainly don't think it is now. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| I acknowledge that Sullivan's analysis of the exchange between McCain and the racist supporter may be a little off. Sullivan has been nothing short of Manichean in his defense of Obama throughout this electoral season. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: |
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If McCain is really serious about denouncing this politics of demonization, he might want to do a better job of vetting the people who speak at his rallies...
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Unhelpful for establishing the tone McCain sought in Davenport was the Rev. Arnold Conrad, past pastor of the Grace Evangelical Free Church. His prayer before McCain arrived at the convention center blocks from the Mississippi River appeared to dismiss faiths other than Christianity and cast the election as a referendum on God himself.
"I would also pray, Lord, that your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their god � whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah � that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons," Conrad said.
"And Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they're going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you will step forward and honor your own name with all that happens between now and Election Day," he said.
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Ya-ta Boy
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"I would also pray, Lord, that your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their god � whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah � that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons," Conrad said.
"And Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they're going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you will step forward and honor your own name with all that happens between now and Election Day," he said.
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That's pretty spooky.
The underlying structure of democratic elections depends on people accepting the outcome of the election. You may not like it, but you grit your teeth and endure. Are people like this going to be able to do that this time? |
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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008
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Let's say that after these attacks, instead of being down and practically out, McCain was 5 or 10 points up. Do you *really* think he'd repudiate them? I'm sorry, I don't buy it.
And note: the National Review has been criticizing McCain for not going after the "Obama= terrorist lover" angle. These people has nothing left, their ideology has failed the country and the world. So they lash out, flailing at anything that crops up. |
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