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JMO
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| I love American politics. |
Actually, it is clear that you do not. |
It is great theatre. So, yes I do love american politics. I love election night when we get to see which state turns red and which turns blue. I love the vitriol. Of course Irish politics has this too, but as in everything else, America does it bigger. This year is the best yet imo.
Whist with your "everybody is anti-american" stance. |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| I love American politics. |
Actually, it is clear that you do not. |
It is great theatre. So, yes I do love american politics. I love election night when we get to see which state turns red and which turns blue. I love the vitriol. Of course Irish politics has this too, but as in everything else, America does it bigger. This year is the best yet imo.
Whist with your "everybody is anti-american" stance. |
When people ask me if I watch sports, I tell them I follow politics. Elections, naturally, are very exciting for me. I check the "scores" ten times a day and would place bets if anyone dared.
I find sports horribly boring and pointless unless I'm playing them or unless there is something behind them (I watch the crap out of the Olympics). Elections are like sports with real consequences that affect everyone. American elections are the former on crack.
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| There are thousands of just as f'ed up folks on the Left. |
Had you said 'a handful' or even maybe 'a couple of dozen' I wouldn't challenge you, but I'd like proof of 'thousands'. |
Have never heard of the weather underground?
Maybe there are a few ignoramuses on the repub side of the aisle, however before throwing stones in your glass house, I ask you to read about the extreme left in America.
Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)
..and remember we're not talking about an anonymous face in the crowd we're talking about an early sponsor and self proclaimed terrorist and bomber Bill Ayers.
...and Michelle Obama's best friend Bernadine Dohrn from her days at Sidley Austin.
You want to talk extreme views you gotta look at both sides here.
Bombing and declaring war on America are a far stretch from simple ignorance.
Now I wouldn't characterize Bill and Bernadine as the democratic base, but I think they play a much bigger role in Obama's campaign than the little old Arabophobic grandma from Podunkville plays in the McCain Campaign.
Now continue your nonsensical rant without reading my suggested links and remain comfortable in your ignorance. |
Get off it, you loon. While I don't agree with what The Weathermen did, I don't think they were completely bonkers. For starters, they lived during a different era then we do. It's easy for us to put blame on them, but activist culture was very different during the Vietnam era and if we were living in that period in time we might even sympathize with what The Weathermen were trying to accomplish.
When pacificism doesn't work, get out the guns. Isn't that a cornerstone of contemporary right-wing ideology, anyway? Wait... isn't that the basis of the Second Amendment, which most contemporary republicans value so much?
Also, did you see "Jesus Camp"? The Weathermen don't hold a lunatic candle to those nuts. People convulsing on the floor mumbling gibberish and worshipping a cardboard cutout of their president, to you, are of equal lunacy as an activist group in the 1970s that became violent towards a government committing war crimes?
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| and remember we're not talking about an anonymous face in the crowd we're talking about an early sponsor and self proclaimed terrorist and bomber Bill Ayers. |
Didn't you even read the articles you posted?
Bill Ayers: "Terrorists terrorize, they kill innocent civilians, while we organized and agitated. Terrorists destroy randomly, while our actions bore, we hoped, the precise stamp of a cut diamond. Terrorists intimidate, while we aimed only to educate. No, we're not terrorists."
You're just pedalling the same smear tripe you heard on TV.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| I check the "scores" ten times a day and would place bets if anyone dared. |
You can 'bet' on intrade.com. I've tossed some cash on ol'Mac finding a way to win this thing. |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| I love American politics. |
Actually, it is clear that you do not. |
It is great theatre. So, yes I do love american politics. I love election night when we get to see which state turns red and which turns blue. I love the vitriol. Of course Irish politics has this too, but as in everything else, America does it bigger. This year is the best yet imo.
Whist with your "everybody is anti-american" stance. |
When people ask me if I watch sports, I tell them I follow politics. Elections, naturally, are very exciting for me. I check the "scores" ten times a day and would place bets if anyone dared.
I find sports horribly boring and pointless unless I'm playing them or unless there is something behind them (I watch the crap out of the Olympics). Elections are like sports with real consequences that affect everyone. American elections are the former on crack.
| Jandar wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| There are thousands of just as f'ed up folks on the Left. |
Had you said 'a handful' or even maybe 'a couple of dozen' I wouldn't challenge you, but I'd like proof of 'thousands'. |
Have never heard of the weather underground?
Maybe there are a few ignoramuses on the repub side of the aisle, however before throwing stones in your glass house, I ask you to read about the extreme left in America.
Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)
..and remember we're not talking about an anonymous face in the crowd we're talking about an early sponsor and self proclaimed terrorist and bomber Bill Ayers.
...and Michelle Obama's best friend Bernadine Dohrn from her days at Sidley Austin.
You want to talk extreme views you gotta look at both sides here.
Bombing and declaring war on America are a far stretch from simple ignorance.
Now I wouldn't characterize Bill and Bernadine as the democratic base, but I think they play a much bigger role in Obama's campaign than the little old Arabophobic grandma from Podunkville plays in the McCain Campaign.
Now continue your nonsensical rant without reading my suggested links and remain comfortable in your ignorance. |
Get off it, you loon. While I don't agree with what The Weathermen did, I don't think they were completely bonkers. For starters, they lived during a different era then we do. It's easy for us to put blame on them, but activist culture was very different during the Vietnam era and if we were living in that period in time we might even sympathize with what The Weathermen were trying to accomplish.
When pacificism doesn't work, get out the guns. Isn't that a cornerstone of contemporary right-wing ideology, anyway? Wait... isn't that the basis of the Second Amendment, which most contemporary republicans value so much?
Also, did you see "Jesus Camp"? The Weathermen don't hold a lunatic candle to those nuts. People convulsing on the floor mumbling gibberish and worshipping a cardboard cutout of their president, to you, are of equal lunacy as an activist group in the 1970s that became violent towards a government committing war crimes?
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| and remember we're not talking about an anonymous face in the crowd we're talking about an early sponsor and self proclaimed terrorist and bomber Bill Ayers. |
Didn't you even read the articles you posted?
Bill Ayers: "Terrorists terrorize, they kill innocent civilians, while we organized and agitated. Terrorists destroy randomly, while our actions bore, we hoped, the precise stamp of a cut diamond. Terrorists intimidate, while we aimed only to educate. No, we're not terrorists."
You're just pedalling the same smear tripe you heard on TV. |
So you approve of domestic terrorism?
Just checking.
The intent of my article was to show that loons exist on both sides of the fence.
It's not smear tripe is factual.
I think my point was that the relationship between the Obamas and the Ayers' is well documented and much closer than the relationship between McCain and the little old lady from Podunk.
Your blindness won't let you see that.
Again my point is that the loons are on both sides.
If you think declaring war on the US and bombing the pentagon are good and justified things to do I feel sorry for you.
What are your feeling on Charles Manson? |
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Gopher
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't speak jive. Anyways, he isn't anti-American. He is anti-war. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| If you say so. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| What is your definition of anti-American, anyways? When does criticism of the United States government or society become anti. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/opinion/12rich.html?ref=opinion is another opinion piece on the ugliness of the Republican Rallies.
People yelling 'treason' and 'terrorist' and 'kill him' regarding to the opposition at the Republican rallies. Palin rallying up hatred among voters of Obama as a 'terrorist' and otherwise is just plain wrong.
Palin's antics are a breeding ground for some pyschos in the supposed mainstream Republican audience...better significantly upgrade Obama's bodyguards. The demonization coming from Palin is about as demonizing as you can possibly do to a very patriotic and very American citizen with the best intentions for our country as anyone else has within mainstream politics. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Now I wouldn't characterize Bill and Bernadine as the democratic base, but I think they play a much bigger role in Obama's campaign than the little old Arabophobic grandma from Podunkville plays in the McCain Campaign. |
Proof, please.
By the way, George Washington was a domestic terrorist, by the definition currently being bandied about.
I'm just saying. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| What is your definition of anti-American...? |
This has been done to death. Most posters here (1) deny antiAmericanism exists; and (2) they especially deny that it describes their worldview and/or politics in any way.
This question is a non-starter. If I lift a finger to answer it, a million antiAmerican hyenas and jackals will converge and attempt to bite it off.
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| ...a very patriotic and very American citizen with the best intentions for our country as anyone else has within mainstream politics. |
No. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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This question is a non-starter. If I lift a finger to answer it, a million antiAmerican hyenas and jackals will converge and attempt to bite it off.
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Chomp! Yummy!  |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Lo que sea, Mises.
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| Whist with your "everybody is anti-american" stance. |
Not everyone. But many. |
Yes, anyone you care to label as anti-american for your own ends. As I said, whist.
I'd rather look forward to this election than get bogged down in another
petty tiff with the likes of you.
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When people ask me if I watch sports, I tell them I follow politics. Elections, naturally, are very exciting for me. I check the "scores" ten times a day and would place bets if anyone dared.
I find sports horribly boring and pointless unless I'm playing them or unless there is something behind them (I watch the crap out of the Olympics). Elections are like sports with real consequences that affect everyone. American elections are the former on crack. |
Well i love sports but I do like elections for similar reasons to you. I like the different systems too. The Irish, British, Korean and American ones all have their own flavor. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I think the way it is used most of the time is merely to defend power. I remember Peter Schiff explaining sub-prime to some toothy jackasses on Fox Business News a couple years back and the consensus was that he was anti-American. So were/are anti-war types. Maybe it has some use here and there, but generally not.
And Mith is certainly not. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Wrong on all counts. But to argue that point on this messageboard would be pointless. |
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