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lostandforgotten
Joined: 19 Sep 2006
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: Don't judge someone's language ability unless you're fluent! |
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I've met many Koreans who think they are fluent enough to judge someone's English ability and I've also met many foreigners who claim to be fluent enough in Korean to judge someone's Korean. Not to mention the ones who can't speak a lick of English or Korean but has the balls to judge someone's English/Korean skills. Don't you think it's absurd to judge someone's language skills unless you're fluent in the language yourself? I say fluent or near fluent. |
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Teelo

Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: Wellington, NZ
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Don't judge Daves website administration skills until you yourself become a programmer, am i rite? |
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DCJames

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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I find it patronizing when I speak Korean and Koreans don't think it's good enough and start speaking a few words of English. As if their few words of broken English are better than my conversational sentences of Korean.
When they do this, I continue to speak Korean because there's NO FREAKING way any communication is getting done if they have to speak English. If you don't believe me trying speaking completely in English and watch them clam up in silence.
I believe ALOT of it is that many Koreans are insecure about foreigners learning their language and being better than Koreans who try to learn English and are failing. |
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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008 Location: Down by the river
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Um, how the heck am I supposed to grade the stack of essays sitting on my desk?
Just put a on every one? |
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Teelo

Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: Wellington, NZ
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:26 am Post subject: |
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DCJames wrote: |
I believe ALOT of it is that many Koreans are insecure about foreigners learning their language and being better than Koreans who try to learn English and are failing. |
Their fault for making their language easier than ours  |
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You_are_a_gesekki
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: |
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DCJames wrote: |
I find it patronizing when I speak Korean and Koreans don't think it's good enough and start speaking a few words of English. As if their few words of broken English are better than my conversational sentences of Korean.
When they do this, I continue to speak Korean because there's NO FREAKING way any communication is getting done if they have to speak English. If you don't believe me trying speaking completely in English and watch them clam up in silence.
I believe ALOT of it is that many Koreans are insecure about foreigners learning their language and being better than Koreans who try to learn English and are failing. |
lol i know what kind of people you fear the most.
people like me; who's both fluent in korean and english.
your advantage over a korean is only that you speak fluent english and you can't use that advantage if you meet someone like me. hahahaha |
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Moonshield
Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: The Pimp is back
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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You_are_a_gesekki wrote: |
DCJames wrote: |
I find it patronizing when I speak Korean and Koreans don't think it's good enough and start speaking a few words of English. As if their few words of broken English are better than my conversational sentences of Korean.
When they do this, I continue to speak Korean because there's NO FREAKING way any communication is getting done if they have to speak English. If you don't believe me trying speaking completely in English and watch them clam up in silence.
I believe ALOT of it is that many Koreans are insecure about foreigners learning their language and being better than Koreans who try to learn English and are failing. |
lol i know what kind of people you fear the most.
people like me; who's both fluent in korean and english.
your advantage over a korean is only that you speak fluent english and you can't use that advantage if you meet someone like me. hahahaha |
I fear people that could put me in a full nelson and a cripple-crossface whilst eating a can of spam...thats who I fear. A guy that can speak Korean and English......not so much |
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i4NI
Joined: 17 May 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: |
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I agree with the OP |
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cangel

Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: |
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What's wrong with judging someone's language ability? I mean, yeah, it makes you out to be a *beep*, but if someone obviously can't speak the language... I mean, so long as you know your ability is far worse... |
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lostandforgotten
Joined: 19 Sep 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:43 am Post subject: |
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cangel wrote: |
What's wrong with judging someone's language ability? I mean, yeah, it makes you out to be a *beep*, but if someone obviously can't speak the language... I mean, so long as you know your ability is far worse... |
I meant don't judge someone whose language ability is far superior than yours. Because ultimately the one with the superior language ability will have the advantage. |
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madhusudan
Joined: 30 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:05 am Post subject: |
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I speak a couple other languages besides English much more relevent in the world than Korean. I speak Korean a bit more than enough to get by and I'm just too busy making money to have the time to learn it better. That's all there is to it. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Korean is among the hardest languages to learn for English speakers, in the same category as Mandarin Japanese and Arabic.
Given how easy the script is here in comparison to these other languages, I'd have to say it's the grammar and sociolinguistic factors that put Korean in the same category, making everyday conversation the most difficult out of any language in the world besides Japanese. |
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kingplaya4
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: |
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I find Korean hard because there is a special word for just about every kind of action whereas in conversational english we often string together simple words.
However, if Joe Dresnok can learn fluent Korean, I gotta think it is within all of our grasps. |
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definitely maybe
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:44 am Post subject: |
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You_are_a_gesekki wrote: |
DCJames wrote: |
I find it patronizing when I speak Korean and Koreans don't think it's good enough and start speaking a few words of English. As if their few words of broken English are better than my conversational sentences of Korean.
When they do this, I continue to speak Korean because there's NO FREAKING way any communication is getting done if they have to speak English. If you don't believe me trying speaking completely in English and watch them clam up in silence.
I believe ALOT of it is that many Koreans are insecure about foreigners learning their language and being better than Koreans who try to learn English and are failing. |
lol i know what kind of people you fear the most.
people like me; who's both fluent in korean and english.
your advantage over a korean is only that you speak fluent english and you can't use that advantage if you meet someone like me. hahahaha |
People like you "who's both fluent in Korean and English" frighten all of us. I's sure you's a very impressive person.  |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: |
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when Koreans speak English to me now I just giggle and tell them they speak "uri mal" berry good. |
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