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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: UFOs over Seoul |
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This was reportedly recorded on October 12, 2008 over Jongno near Jonggak Tower.
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=SKiLUOVqb70
It's better than mad cow madness over Jongno. |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: UFOs over Seoul |
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Don't those tricky aliens know that Korea is a bad place to travel over? Everyone will be taking out their cellphones, cameras, snapping away pics and videos, and their secret plan will be exposed! I think the aliens should know better! |
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Socks

Joined: 15 May 2008 Location: somewhere in here...
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Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Nanjing
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Why would Aliens want to come to Korea? Don't they know that they would never be accepted by Koreans. Oh, wait. I know the reason. The Koreans invited them to come here and teach their language. Its the new lingua franca of the galaxy. The aliens are getting a great deal out of this: free apartment, 2.3 million won monthly salary with a great exchange rate back to the galactic dollar, etc...
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joshuahirtle27

Joined: 23 Mar 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: UFOs over Seoul |
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Um... it's light refracting off the lense of the camera... or an invasion force. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: soul of Asia
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: UFOs over Seoul |
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brento1138 wrote: |
Don't those tricky aliens know that Korea is a bad place to travel over? Everyone will be taking out their cellphones, cameras, snapping away pics and videos, and their secret plan will be exposed! I think the aliens should know better! |
And...they will end up on cyworld! hahaha... I am actually beginning to beleive that every little thing some Koreans see they think "Wow, I better put this on cyworld".  |
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I_Am_The_Kiwi

Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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balloons........nothing moved out of that "formation" once.
either they stick to formation very tightly. or they are floating balloons all movnig in the same direction.
when ET finally drops his ship in my front lawn then ill believe they are HERE. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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As if you can see the sky in Seoul, pull the other one |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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On a more serious note, and as someone quite into sci-fi and writing my own film scripts, I am quite interested in UFO phenomenon. I think some of them can be accounted for easily (balloons, military craft, etc.) but there are just some, like that Mexican military/air force video that are pretty hard to explain. There are also some very credible people out there who claim to have seen them up close, and some of these people really have no reason to make up a story. Hard to believe they are all lying. But do they know they are lying?
One fact though, that the skeptics are quite correct with is that humans make really bad eye-witness accounts. We oftentimes don't see what we're seeing. Or we'll remember it differently... or we'll use our culturally skewed perspective to come up with a reason why we see what we see. For example, people might see a wave in the ocean that REALLY looks like a sea monster. But it's just a wave. Or perhaps they think they see their ex girlfriend in the supermarket... and are totally nervous about it... but suddenly, the girl turns around or comes closer and guess what... it is a totally different girl. So, humans do make bad eye witnesses... and cameras can't really be trusted either 100%. Just because a bunch of people think they are seeing UFOs doesn't mean they are alien aircrafts. When I was a kid, I remember thinking I saw a monster behind my curtain. You know what? I highly doubt there was... Our eyes can trick us and so can our minds. Remember this phrase: "Believe nothing what you hear and only half of what you see."
That said, I do personally believe there are advanced life-forms in the galaxy. I believe that life is like any other rule of matter and energy... like the table of elements. Water exists at a certain temperature, freezes at a certain point, and I believe this is true for the whole galaxy, and perhaps the universe. Therefore, I think that if the conditions are right on a planet, life will automatically generate, the same as how water can freeze or melt. And since our galaxy is very old, and we seem to be on the cusp of our galaxy, and since life could have been created elsewhere millions or even billions of years before us, perhaps there is another planet which has evolved further than us. Look at Earth. Life has been in a constant state of evolution... getting more and more complex, until you reach the pinnacle of creation so far: us! But are we really the end of evolution? Perhaps it will continue on... we see it already starting, with people implanting cybernetic parts into their bodies.
If an alien civilization has advanced even 100,000 years from ours, I am pretty sure they would be able to "at least" send out a large fleet of probes all over the galaxy, in the same style we send them throughout our solar system. Perhaps each probe takes 10,000 years to complete it's mission... a slow and painstaking task...but over time... millions of these things come back to the alien homeworld... and report. Worth the wait? That means, this civilization LIVES completely for space exploration... Perhaps they looked at the stars differently than we did.... or perhaps they don't fight wars and put ALL their resources soley into space exploration. We have no idea. They are aliens... possible NOTHING like us. Perhaps they have large life-spans and can wait that long, or perhaps they don't have much invididuality (like bees for example) and simply care about collecting knoweldge for "the hive..." But I think there are probably hundreds or thousands of these types of civilizations throughout our galaxy. Perhaps they are all doing the same thing...
I believe we already have the capability to explore the entire galaxy. It would just take millions of years to do. We'd have to sustain our planet, and ourselves, for vast periods of time while we wait for the automatic probes to come back. We'd have to build the probes to last. Sure it sounds impossible to you now, but with today's technology, we could feasibly explore the entire galaxy... even with our really unadvanced technology. I know there are other more advanced methods of propulsion / travel like wormholes, warp speed, etc... but imagine if nothing like that is possible. We'd sadly be faced with simply using probes like how we do Mars and Pluto... it would be a depressingly long wait, but it CAN be done.
I think this video is interesting, but honestly, they are just white dots on a screen and could be anything. But the fact that experienced jet pilots were confused by seeing them makes me wonder... perhaps they really were alien aircraft... we will never know, will we?
This, IMO, is the most convincing UFO footage ever.
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=0o2j5E-uUuE |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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I like the UFO footage shot in orbit. It's more believable seeing mysterious objects from space, as opposed to on the ground. Although some of those videos are so laughable. My particular favourite is the videos about the "space creature" that replenishes it's energy in planet atmospheres. If you can find it, check it out. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a link to a UFO sighting I made in Seoul in May. You have to go down a few, past the flies humping.
http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20080505c.html
My favourite UFO footage was supposed to be of an ancient and giant derelict spaceship filmed by astronauts on the Moon's surface. It was later proven a hoax, but it looked pretty good. |
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Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Once again.....
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Our nearest neighbor in the cosmos, Proxima Centauri, is 4.3 light years away, a sissy skip in galactic terms, but still 100 million times further than a trip to the Moon. To reach it by spaceship would take at least 25,000 years. Just reaching the center of our own galaxy would take far longer than we have existed as beings.
Space is enormous. The average distance between stars is over 30,000,000,000,000km. Even at speeds approaching the speed of light, these are fantastically challenging distances. Of course, it is possible that alien beings travel billions of miles to amuse themselves by planting crop circles in Wiltshire or frightening the living daylights out of some poor guy in a pickup truck on a lonely road in Arizona, but it does seem unlikely. Still, statistically the probability that there are other thinking beings out there is good. Nobody knows how many stars there are in the Milky Way - estimates range from 100 million or so to perhaps 400 million - and the Milky Way is just one of 140 billion or so other galaxies, many of them much larger than ours.
In the 1960s, a professor at Cornell named Frank Drake worked out a famous equation designed to calculate the chances of advanced life existing in the cosmos, based on a series of diminishing probabilities. Under Drake's equation you divide the number of stars in a selected portion of the universe by the number of stars that are likely to have planetary systems; divide that by the number of planetary systems that could theoretically support life; divide that by the number on which life, having arisen, advances to a state of intelligence; and so on. At each division, the number shrinks colossally - yet even with the most conservative inputs the number of advanced civilizations - in just our galaxy - always works out to be somewhere in the millions.
What an interesting and exciting thought! We may be only one of millions of advanced civilizations. Unfortunately, space being spacious, the average distance between any two of these civilizations is reckoned to be at least 200 light years. This means that, even if these beings know we are here and are somehow able to see us in their telescopes, they're watching light that left Earth 200 years ago. So they're not seeing you and me. They're watching the French Revolution - people who don't know what an atom is, or a gene.
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-Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything |
And note, Bryson makes absolutely no mention of moons. Might have been an idea to. Jupiter and Saturn have 60+ each!
The chances of Earth being the only civilization in our galaxy, let alone our Local Group (including the massive Andromeda Galaxy with a trillion stars) and let alone the universe, are zero. If Drake calculated the probability of advanced life planets in just our galaxy as being in the millions at least, and given that there are over 100,000,000,000 galaxies, the question is not "are there any?"; the question is "how many trillion of them are there?". The chances of any beings visiting us are also incredibly low, but not zero.
Those UFOs over Seoul seem the same as the ones observed over Mexico City. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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A more important question is, how possible would it be for these distant species to travel to Earth? The answer to that is much more pessimistic. |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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We are way out of our league in this one. We just don't have any foundation in the understanding of the kind of physics, that, to us on this planet, are impossible. But just because they are impossible doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm sure there was many things once thought impossible (and proved to be impossible) until someone actually proved otherwise. We have evidence suggesting faster than light space travel is impossible, but once upon a time someone had proof that planes couldn't fly. And it's not just a case of understanding that something is possible or not, it's a case of being able to even conceive of the thought process in the first place that leads to that understanding. Imagine bringing a man from the stone age into the present world. What kind of understanding would that person have of anything here? Would that man know what a plane is? No. Because he would have never even conceived of such a concept. Maybe one day, someone in this world will have a spark - a thought - a concept that will lead to the understanding of the next step in space travel. But until that day, it's just getting on with the way things are. That is something everyone has to accept, and you can debate it until your head falls off.
We are mere ants unaware of the giant human foot about to crush us from above. We do not know what the foot is, only that it makes a loud thump. Ants have no more understanding of what a human is than we have of the universe. There are quite possibly things out there that we as a species can never conceive of. |
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alpope23

Joined: 15 Mar 2006
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: |
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FLASH!
Okay, Beatrice. There was no alien, and the flash of light you saw in the sky wasn't a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and refracted the light from Venus -- |
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