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Sadebugo1



Joined: 11 May 2003

PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:13 pm    Post subject: Working Holiday Visa? Reply with quote

Ref. the YBM advertisement on the Korean job board today. It seems that Korea now has a working holiday visa system. Or, is this YBM's way of getting around the work visa. Any ideas? Perhaps, as with everything else, they are copying Japan again.
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prairieboy



Joined: 14 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know, there is no such thing as a working holiday visa in Korea. It's likely a "come here on a tourist visa and work part-time" lure.

People responding to this may not realize it's illegal.

But maybe the law has changed Rolling Eyes as seems to be common especially with immigration...or that may just be a policy change.

I wouldn't do it at any rate being in korea for the amount of time I have been here.

Cheers
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

prairieboy wrote:
As far as I know, there is no such thing as a working holiday visa in Korea. It's likely a "come here on a tourist visa and work part-time" lure.

People responding to this may not realize it's illegal.


http://www.emb-korea.ottawa.on.ca/html/whp.htm

It's called an H-1 visa. It's not new. It's been around for years. You've responded to this and not realized it's legal.

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I wouldn't do it at any rate being in korea for the amount of time I have been here.


A visa that allows a person to quit working at a school and starting working at another with no issues is the holy grail people always ask for. You're saying this is wrong?
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prairieboy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I said as far as I knew it was illegal, Gord.

You've cleared it up. That's all you had to do. Thanks.
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prairieboy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this really only available to Canadians as posted on the link?

No one from other countries can apply for it?
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prairieboy



Joined: 14 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aahh, it's not as simple as it seems.

You have to be able to qualify for an E-2 visa to teach a foreign language such as would be the case working at YBM, seeing as it also restricts jobs:

An H-1 visa holder may not be employed as receptionist, dancer, singer, musician, acrobat, etc., at places of entertainment which may endanger good morals and manners.

In order to teach a foreign language, the H-1 visa holder must also posses the qualifications requisite for the "E-2 Language Instructor visa". [emphasis in original]

I guess a person could work at McDonalds, as a bartender, in a grocery store or as a general labourer during their holiday.

It doesn't actually say a person needs to obtain an E-2 to teach a foreign language.

For some it may be the holy grail, if someone wants to take the chance with this visa at a hogwon or foreign language institute, then good luck.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got one! I've had it since March. I really have no idea what it lets me do though. I make lots of money teaching English, Japanese, hanja (Chinese writing), Korean, and I sometimes write for newspapers here. Since they were so vague with telling me what I'm allowed to do, I do a bit of everything.
I worked for a hagwon for a few months but I was employed as an office worker, not a teacher. I would substitute for classes from time to time, and was paid less. That's why I quit.
It really seems quite unfair though, the fact that thousands and thousands of Koreans jaunt off to Canada with this visa whereas Canadians with it can't get a job teaching English unless they have finished uni, in which case it's unnecessary. Working Holiday is much more clearly defined in Japan.
I wish I could tell you more, being a holder of this visa and all, but I really don't know...
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prairieboy



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any more you can tell me about this. Now that it's been brought to my attention, it sounds more and more intriguing.

Cheers Smile
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shawner88



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A visa that allows a person to quit working at a school and starting working at another with no issues is the holy grail people always ask for.


Has anyone ever asked for this oficially?
I wonder if we got some kind of petition together if it would do any good? Another idea would be to write in to the English newspapers about the plight of teachers who get stuck in hellish jobs because they can't quit. Anyone willing to write it? I'd do it, but I'm not good at that style of writing.
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prairieboy



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's only good for 3 months at a time though. Still, you could shop around more freely and find much better paying jobs.

M tell us more.
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

prairieboy wrote:
It's only good for 3 months at a time though. Still, you could shop around more freely and find much better paying jobs.

M tell us more.


You have to start using it within 3 months, it's good for a year.

shawner88 wrote:
Has anyone ever asked for this oficially?


You can quit and do whatever. The downside is that it is only issued once. After the first one expires after a year, no more working holiday visas will be issued.

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I wonder if we got some kind of petition together if it would do any good? Another idea would be to write in to the English newspapers about the plight of teachers who get stuck in hellish jobs because they can't quit. Anyone willing to write it? I'd do it, but I'm not good at that style of writing.


Contrary to popular belief, if you actually put your ducks in a row and approach everything in a well thought out manner, it's not a big deal to quit a hostile employer and start a new job. I know several people who have done it and Mankind has mentioned it before as well, plus his wife helps people out all the time.
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prairieboy



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So let me get it straight. It is good for a year. But you can only get it issued once.

I suppose that for someone who's considering coming here without knowing anything, it would be a good route to take. You get a chance to expose yourself to the culture and the work environment. You can try out several English schools and find one that you like, then work out an agreement for a longer stay on an E-2.

Not quite as bad as I thought in the first place. Even for teachers already here, who just want time off from the full-time hogwon job but aren't wanting to go home for a long period of time.

Cheers, thanks for the info!
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

prairieboy wrote:
Even for teachers already here, who just want time off from the full-time hogwon job but aren't wanting to go home for a long period of time.

Nope.
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��To be eligible, you must:
be a Canadian citizen residing in Canada at the time of application
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose it would be good for working in the Korean Herald or someplace like that as well, though after a year is up, which visa to get next becomes a problem...that's what I'm thinking about now actually, because I don't intend on going anywhere.
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prairieboy



Joined: 14 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OiGirl wrote:
prairieboy wrote:
Even for teachers already here, who just want time off from the full-time hogwon job but aren't wanting to go home for a long period of time.

Nope.
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��To be eligible, you must:
be a Canadian citizen residing in Canada at the time of application


I did qualify my comment with "aren't wanting to go home for a long period of time".

I believe I know what you were getting at. Still, for those teachers not wanting to go home for a long period of time this could be a good way to check out various hogwons throughout Korea before signing on for another full year.

Only have to qualify as residing in Canada at the time of application, such as conducting job searches, renewing those primary ties, working a part-time job for a few months, then getting tired of it and thinking that you might give Korea another shot. And proving you have the means to support yourself while in Korea.
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