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joeheckel



Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: Alcoholics Anonymous Reply with quote

I am preparing myself for a couple years in Seoul and have not found any mention of Alcoholics Anonymous. I was hoping there might be someone on here that knows of an English speaking group. Or perhaps a few people with an interest in starting a group?
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Justin Hale



Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus, good luck with that. In Seoul you can get piss drunk daily for $3 - an absolute nightmare of a city for an alcoholic I'd imagine.
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prideofidaho



Joined: 19 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

found this:

Alcoholics Anonymous in Korea: www.aaainkorea.org 319-5861

on this monster of a list. Just about anything you need. wicked.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=32521

The thread is 3 years old, but worth a shot.

good luck man, I hope you challenge yourself and give it a go! Surprised
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Reply with quote

I don't mean to discourage. Seriously, if you are a recovering alcoholic don't come here. You won't be able to leave the house at night without seeing restaurants and bars overflowing with drunken locals. Often during a week night. These same bars and restaurants are open until the wee hours and there is little effort to discourage this behaviour. In fact it is often expected from bosses that you drink yourself into a coma, then turn up for work the next day. It would be a challenge indeed for an AA member to come here, good luck.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Reply with quote

ED209 wrote:
I don't mean to discourage. Seriously, if you are a recovering alcoholic don't come here. You won't be able to leave the house at night without seeing restaurants and bars overflowing with drunken locals. Often during a week night. These same bars and restaurants are open until the wee hours and there is little effort to discourage this behaviour. In fact it is often expected from bosses that you drink yourself into a coma, then turn up for work the next day. It would be a challenge indeed for an AA member to come here, good luck.


Seconded.
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prideofidaho



Joined: 19 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't really feel it was my place to make an opinion on what some other human being does, and I stress that I am generally disinterested in what others do, but I think you two are missing an interesting point.

I'd say that yes, there is a large drinking culture here, but that's easily found everywhere. And if someone is arguably recovering, I'd imagine they are probably actively trying to be comfortable in all situations, and remain in their conviction rather than practicing avoidance.

I've personally never felt someone insulted by my refusal of a drink. It doesn't happen often that I do refulse Embarassed...but if anyone took grave offense to a refusal, that's more to do with their own problems than any sort of social nicety. And in all reality, that's the OPs deal, isn't it?
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes, anyone who chooses not to drink can live and work in Korea. In fact, western countries offer more brands and types of alcohol than Korea does as well as a more dangerous crazy party culture so I would bet anyone with level head can do just fine in Korea.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

prideofidaho wrote:
I didn't really feel it was my place to make an opinion on what some other human being does, and I stress that I am generally disinterested in what others do, but I think you two are missing an interesting point.

I'd say that yes, there is a large drinking culture here, but that's easily found everywhere. And if someone is arguably recovering, I'd imagine they are probably actively trying to be comfortable in all situations, and remain in their conviction rather than practicing avoidance.


No, actually the most important advice for recovering alcoholics is to avoid social situations in which drinking is done.

prideofidaho wrote:

I've personally never felt someone insulted by my refusal of a drink. It doesn't happen often that I do refulse Embarassed...but if anyone took grave offense to a refusal, that's more to do with their own problems than any sort of social nicety. And in all reality, that's the OPs deal, isn't it?


It's not about grave offence, just trying not to look like a psuuy in front of your boss.
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prideofidaho



Joined: 19 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a *beep*, does that heighten the chances?

Just messing around.

I have no experience with recovery, but I'd hazard to guess that those who do are keen on self-determination.
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Harpeau



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over the years, there have been some 12 step groups at the USO near Samgatchi Station and over at the International Lutheran Church. I wish you well in your journey.
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NilesQ



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AA in Korea is the best AA I have had the pleasure to have been a part of in my 7 years of sobriety. There are daily meetings. The USO has M-F discussion meetings at 6:30 and a speaker meeting on Saturday night at 6:30. There are meetings at churches in Hannam dong on Sunday. All English and all with a lot of solid long term sobriety.

American Forces Pacific runs its 28 day program for substance abuse at Yongsan Barracks. So, every month or so there is a fresh group of newcommers bringing the reality of what drinking is like, if you are an alcoholic, into the rooms. Really awesome. I miss AA in Korea a lot. Someone posted the link to their website here. Check it out for contact info. And feel free to PM me here if you have any questions that you think I could answer.
Good Luck
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joeheckel



Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the replies. Been without for over 12 years but would like to stay active in the program while I am in Korea. No worries about seeing folks get tipsy.....I just get more enjoyment now by watching others get silly drunk instead of being the one that others watch drink without self restraint.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joeheckel wrote:
Thanks for all the replies. Been without for over 12 years but would like to stay active in the program while I am in Korea. No worries about seeing folks get tipsy.....I just get more enjoyment now by watching others get silly drunk instead of being the one that others watch drink without self restraint.


If that's so, maybe you no longer need AA. I know lots of people in Korea who don't drink, but they're the type who were never drinkers, so it's easy for them. Of course, they do suffer from everything we mentioned earlier, and are basically social eunuchs. For me, if I go to a restaurant or if I walk more than 100 meters outside, I'm going to get a beer. They just appear out of anywhere.
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seoulteacher



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
joeheckel wrote:
Thanks for all the replies. Been without for over 12 years but would like to stay active in the program while I am in Korea. No worries about seeing folks get tipsy.....I just get more enjoyment now by watching others get silly drunk instead of being the one that others watch drink without self restraint.

If that's so, maybe you no longer need AA. I know lots of people in Korea who don't drink, but they're the type who were never drinkers, so it's easy for them. Of course, they do suffer from everything we mentioned earlier, and are basically social eunuchs. For me, if I go to a restaurant or if I walk more than 100 meters outside, I'm going to get a beer. They just appear out of anywhere.


joeheckel, you sound like you've reached a good place, having gone 12 years sober. But, still, good to know that Korea is one mother of a country for widespread and in-your-face alcohol consumption (and the above posters well describe the scene. It includes drunks a-pucking and staggering every which way on a nighttime Shocked ).

So, might there be more situations (ie. than in the relatively sober west) that could encourage one to slide back in to drinking? I'd think that continued attendance at AA would probably be wise, especially when new in the 'drinking culture' that is Korea - you'd have your mentor for late night chats over coffees, and the benefits of other active efforts to mix with fellow AA members.

And two things from my experience:

i) I grew up in the Caribbean, and home entertaining was common. And I can never remember a single time of a guest being offered tea or coffee (or another non-alcoholic drink); it was always, "What're you drinking?" (meaning alcohol). So I grew up with alcohol all around, and still don't know that island's legal drinking age! And one could be an alcoholic there and it would often go unnoticed and be accepted. Korea is just such an environment - tho', yes, there would be enough Koreans and foreigners who don't drink, or don't have to drink, for you to hang around with; and,

ii) I arrived in Korea a cigarette smoker; 6 years later, just before I left, I had got to the stage of smoking 2 - 2 1/2 packs/day, a full blown addiction. Yes, personal issues were involved, but as with alcohol (everywhere and ultra cheap: two bottles of soju at US $ 1.20-2.00 each would be enough to get most drunk), smoking is much more socially acceptable and possible (in bars and restaurants) and cheaper (US $ 2.5-3.00 a pack, versus Canada's US $ 8/pack) than in the west.

I, too, am now an abstainer: I quit smoking 2 years ago after getting a bad scare over high blood pressure. But if I do get back to Korea, I'd be well advised to remember those times when one cigarette was all it took to relight the habit (pun intended Smile), and avoid or, at least be conscious of, those occasions and environments where smoking is commonplace - but again, there are many there who now don't smoke.

Oh, I think NilesQ's post was very encouraging...good luck!
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maddog



Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:36 am    Post subject: Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Reply with quote

ED209 wrote:
I don't mean to discourage. Seriously, if you are a recovering alcoholic don't come here. You won't be able to leave the house at night without seeing restaurants and bars overflowing with drunken locals. Often during a week night. These same bars and restaurants are open until the wee hours and there is little effort to discourage this behaviour. In fact it is often expected from bosses that you drink yourself into a coma, then turn up for work the next day. It would be a challenge indeed for an AA member to come here, good luck.


I can't put it any better than that. Booze is cheap here, and you're often expected to drink. Dear lord, don't work in a hagwon. Knowing that you don't have start work until 3pm, you'll have even less incentive to stay sober. I say all this from experience. I you wanna party hard, sleep til 2am, and give your liver a damn good thrashing, come to Korea and get a hagwon gig. Otherwise, stay put.
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