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aarontendo
Joined: 08 Feb 2006
Location: Daegu-ish
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CAIR is an organization that is sounding too much of an apologist group.
Of course, so many women are killed all over the world by men in India, America, and the Middle East. |
See, the difference is in most of the modern world it's not considered OK. That's the god damn problem with Islam. Sure, every religion has radicals and they can do messed up things.
Only problem is they're calling the shots within Islam, and where are the Muslims to speak up against it?....whoops yeah they don't. The sad fact is I'm sure it's a fine religion, but when the moderates don't stand up to the extremists then we get some trouble. |
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jkamphof
Joined: 12 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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True,
And we in the west have had centuries of social change and the rise of reason and enlightenment. This has allowed for individuality, the rise of freedoms and tolerances. This has not been by only Europeans, but individuals from all over that see the value of life and our environment. Our western culture is not "our's is better" but rather "ours given and made by those of the world, is better". Our western culture has been made by the influences of many from all over that have striven for a better way to life. Where life is valued and compassion is real and the state is there to help and aid. And damn if it's not perfect, but it's a pretty decent collective effort that we have made. Our police for the most part work, we have social welfare states, we have employment benefits, we have value as people in the face of others including our government, and thats' pretty impressive. Now imposing tribal traditions and literal translations of Muhammed from 700 year ago Arabia demanding we are to be accepting of them is simply not acceptable.
Being tolerant doesn't mean total acceptance. I will accept someones culture and beliefs but I will succinctly tell them they are being archaic and quite wrong when they are imposing on our sense of compassion and freedoms. It is not ok to keep your women locked up or beat them or kill them when you live in Europe or North America (or anywhere really), it is not ok to have slave factories in LA because you do it in China, it is not ok to have Sharai Law in our nations because it serves your religion better, it is not ok to remove freedoms from your children when you move to a nation that is supposed to guarantee them and it is not ok for us in the west to turn a blind eye and say it is all ok because it is their culture thus making it allowed. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| He was trying to preserve his family's honor. Who did that *beep* think she was trying to kick it to the curb? |
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whatever
Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Korea: More fun than jail.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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It's their culture. Smoking chronic is part of mine. They'd probably kill me for doing it. I'd kill them for killing their daughter. Who's right? Who's wrong? I'm not seriously equating the possible events, but...
Personally, I think all religions are a joke/jake. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| But it's their culture and you have to accept it. Many women are killed by their husbands in the U.S. and Korea. Canada, too. |
i cant speak for usa and korea, but, in canada you hardly hear anything murders, and rarely men killing their wivesssss |
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head-in-the-clouds
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: London for now
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| this shit happens in the uk all the time |
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aarontendo
Joined: 08 Feb 2006
Location: Daegu-ish
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| head-in-the-clouds wrote: |
| this shit happens in the uk all the time |
...from muslims |
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head-in-the-clouds
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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There is about one murder/missing daughter in the muslim community in the uk every week.
What do the government do? Make love to the muslim council of Britain and its firebrand clerics. |
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alex83
Joined: 03 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| sharkey wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| But it's their culture and you have to accept it. Many women are killed by their husbands in the U.S. and Korea. Canada, too. |
i cant speak for usa and korea, but, in canada you hardly hear anything murders, and rarely men killing their wivesssss |
That's right...but there was that case a few months back of that Muslim guy honour-killing his 16-year-old daughter in Mississauga (or possibly Brampton?) Yet The Great White North will always be too liberal and "progressive" for the death penalty. Shame. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Quack Addict
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Better they kill each other than us. |
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