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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| The economy does suck here, but jobs are still out there for qualified people. If you're willing to move around to different cities and work in different fields, getting a good job in the US isn't that difficult. |
Generally you are only considered "qualified" if you have already worked in a particular job for several years and so have technical skills and/or contacts in that area. If you are in this situation you would have probably been better off sticking with it rather than taking time off to teach EFL. As to the idea of moving around to find jobs, doing so is expensive and the areas with job opportunities are generally expensive to live in, so it is often not a viable proposition for unemployed people. I'd be interested in the specifics of what your qualifications are and where you see the opportunites as being available. |
Even people with abundant skills can end up on skid row. Many of the people I've known in IT careers come to mind. It's not easy starting over and I've done it a couple times. Starting at the bottom is for youngsters. If you are post 35 the prospects presented by an ESL career can seem pretty good in comparison to hashing it out in a new career field which may or may not end up being lucrative. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| OTOS is close to being certifiable, and that's crazy. |
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pokesplort
Joined: 05 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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if i went home right now i would...
go directly to where the boyfriend is, follow next 72 hours starting at his face..
hug the crap out of my family
hug the crap out of my dogs
buy the biggest bag of herb i can find
hug the crap out of that
realize the economy sucks and how any teaching job i get is going to be crappier than it is here. and probably? probably i'd get sucked back into retail at the barnes and noble to make sure i had a cash flow. i do love books but ugh...no more retail. sadly i know these things can never be. well not for a while. and now i might just stay two years so i can make sure i have the credit cards paid off AND have some saved up so i can survive while job hunting when i get back. i dont know if i'll be able to do it though...wish me luck:) |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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as someone who hasn't dabbled in the drug scene, can you please explain why you would love weed so much as to want to hug it after a year away from it?
what exactly about it is so phenomenal? serious question, not being sarcastic (except about the hugging part  ) |
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maddog
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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I AM leaving Korea in 5 weeks.
1) SE Asia.
2) Party. Scuba dive. Sun bathe. Kayak. Climb. Smoke. Drink. Motorbike.
3) Cos life's too short not to. |
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Captain Marlow
Joined: 23 Apr 2008
Location: darkness
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| maddog wrote: |
I AM leaving Korea in 5 weeks.
1) SE Asia.
2) Party. Scuba dive. Sun bathe. Kayak. Climb. Smoke. Drink. Motorbike.
3) Cos life's too short not to. |
ditto (sans the scuba diving part because i'm afraid of sharks)... oh, and after a year without smoking, relaxing with a well earned j shouldn't be questioned just because you weren't ever into it... PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!!! |
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pokesplort
Joined: 05 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| oh i dunno i guess i was mostly being melodramatic. but seriously i probably would hug the damn thing. to each their own yes? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| xingyiman wrote: |
| On Dave's? I didn't realize I was talking about Dave's posters. But many, and I mean many of the people I know personally have come back to teach within a year. Not sure how many post on Dave's regularly. |
You have your group of friends and I have my group of friends. Mine seem to have done their Korea time and found stable, rewarding lives back at home. Yours haven't. Why? Is there an objective measure then to arrive at the truth of your claim?
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| As for starting at the bottom....I've started at "the bottom" one too many times after a carrer field I was in got staurated or fell into hard times. Nah, I got enough money saved up to buy some land in a nice tropical locale. You can have Kansas. |
Another experience that runs diametrically opposed to my experience. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| I'd move to Kunming, China to study Mandarin. |
I've heard good things about that city. They say it has good weather. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
as someone who hasn't dabbled in the drug scene, can you please explain why you would love weed so much as to want to hug it after a year away from it?
what exactly about it is so phenomenal? serious question, not being sarcastic (except about the hugging part ) |
I haven't smoked a gram of the stuff in five years, but it's one of the first things I'm going to do when I get out of this madhouse. It's a nice relaxed goofy feeling as long as you don't do it too much, then you just get DUMB. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Interestingly the Seoulpodcast talked about this a bit today. I think I see the problem. People who go to Korea and them come back looking for jobs in the ESL industry in North America, especially Toronto, find the market saturated. The guest host was saying he runs an ESL school and they have their pick of teachers college grads and pay them about $20 an hour. That's crap in Toronto.
Anyway, I have no doubt many of them head right back to Korea.
However, if you're coming to Korea to help pay down your student loan or get a good nest egg going so you've got a cushion as you work your way up the corporate bunny ladder, then I would be surprised if that class of person gave up after a year and ran back to Korea. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
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| On Dave's? I didn't realize I was talking about Dave's posters. But many, and I mean many of the people I know personally have come back to teach within a year. Not sure how many post on Dave's regularly. |
You have your group of friends and I have my group of friends. Mine seem to have done their Korea time and found stable, rewarding lives back at home. Yours haven't. Why? Is there an objective measure then to arrive at the truth of your claim?
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| As for starting at the bottom....I've started at "the bottom" one too many times after a carrer field I was in got staurated or fell into hard times. Nah, I got enough money saved up to buy some land in a nice tropical locale. You can have Kansas. |
Another experience that runs diametrically opposed to my experience. |
Why are you always so combative? I am making no claim other than the fact that many people I know (one was a law professor, another a computer programmer, former entrepreneur, etc....) who went stateside for a year or so and then returned. I've also known people who didn't return and as you stated found stable employment back home. I am no more making a claim that everyone will be unsatisified returning home than you could be accused of suggesting that everyone could find great job opportunities back where they came from.
I have no doubt that I could return to the US and work eventually becoming stable in some form of career. But I personally assess for myself that the costs would be too high for too little return. Your experiences and mine are dimetrically opposed. I have connections and business opportunities in Asia (non ESL) and you obviously have them back where you currently live. I do not but either situation makes neither you or I superior to the other. Have a peaceful day. |
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OnTheOtherSide
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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I've got a question for you all.
I pulled a runner on my my job. For how long does this put me on the blacklist from working in Korea? I've heard stories about guys getting deported and even arrested for fairly serious crimes, and then returning a few years later. But how does all that work? I'm supposing that you would have to act as if this is your first time in Korea when applying, to hide the details of the previous stay there?
If the won somehow becomes incredibly strong against the dollar, I would consider going back someday. I don't think that'll happen for a few years at least though. |
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bundangbabo
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
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I've got a question for you all.
I pulled a runner on my my job. For how long does this put me on the blacklist from working in Korea? I've heard stories about guys getting deported and even arrested for fairly serious crimes, and then returning a few years later. But how does all that work? I'm supposing that you would have to act as if this is your first time in Korea when applying, to hide the details of the previous stay there?
If the won somehow becomes incredibly strong against the dollar, I would consider going back someday. I don't think that'll happen for a few years at least though. |
It doesn't - not if you ran from a hagwon anyway.
I left my hagwon with not LOR or anything - went to worknplay and applied for GEPIK and was back in Korea in under 3 months.
I doubt you would be able to midnight run GEPIK and get away with it though.  |
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OnTheOtherSide
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| bundangbabo wrote: |
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I've got a question for you all.
I pulled a runner on my my job. For how long does this put me on the blacklist from working in Korea? I've heard stories about guys getting deported and even arrested for fairly serious crimes, and then returning a few years later. But how does all that work? I'm supposing that you would have to act as if this is your first time in Korea when applying, to hide the details of the previous stay there?
If the won somehow becomes incredibly strong against the dollar, I would consider going back someday. I don't think that'll happen for a few years at least though. |
It doesn't - not if you ran from a hagwon anyway.
I left my hagwon with not LOR or anything - went to worknplay and applied for GEPIK and was back in Korea in under 3 months.
I doubt you would be able to midnight run GEPIK and get away with it though. |
Very nice 
Did you tell GEPIK about your previous work experience in Korea, or did you hide it to avoid them finding out about it? |
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