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Caro wack
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travelnguy
Joined: 27 Sep 2007
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 Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: What???? |
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How does an American teacher here in Korea have anything to do with this story? This guy was born and raised in the US. This guy is American. So what if his parents where immigrants from Korea.
He probably chose to go back to Korea because it was easy. He already had a passport and Korea didn't have an extradition treaty with the US.
What's your point? |
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DrunkenMaster
Joined: 04 Feb 2008
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He wasn't only an American; he had dual citizenship.
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| Nam was born and raised in the U.S. but held dual citizenship through his parents. |
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travelnguy
Joined: 27 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Of course. That's why he did it. Because we all know Koreans or Korean Americans are the only ones to do something like this.
I know he was Korean. I read the part about dual citizenship. I just want the OP to explain his point. |
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Juregen
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Of course. That's why he did it. Because we all know Koreans or Korean Americans are the only ones to do something like this.
I know he was Korean. I read the part about dual citizenship. I just want the OP to explain his point. |
The difference is one of scope.
If a Westerner infringes on the justice in Korea, everyone is on their toes to accuse the foreigners of being criminals.
America knows it is the individual and does not incite racial hatred due to the acts of the individual.
The difference is in the scope. |
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travelnguy
Joined: 27 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok. You are correct about that. I mean what American would see a Muslim walking down the street and think anything negative. Good point. |
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plynx
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| travelnguy wrote: |
| Ok. You are correct about that. I mean what American would see a Muslim walking down the street and think anything negative. Good point. |
it's a difference of scope, of course. (of course!) |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like dear ol' dad's in a spot of trouble too. From the article linked in the OP:
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| The father _ who remains on the hook for the remaining $900,000 surety he posted _ would be charged with aiding and abetting if he ever returns to the U.S., Abraham said. |
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Tobias
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: I was gonna say... |
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| I was gonna say somebody should go after ol' Gi Nam and haul him back to the US. I'm sure a nice bounty awaits. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
| travelnguy wrote: |
Of course. That's why he did it. Because we all know Koreans or Korean Americans are the only ones to do something like this.
I know he was Korean. I read the part about dual citizenship. I just want the OP to explain his point. |
The difference is one of scope.
If a Westerner infringes on the justice in Korea, everyone is on their toes to accuse the foreigners of being criminals.
America knows it is the individual and does not incite racial hatred due to the acts of the individual.
The difference is in the scope. |
Agreed. |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
| travelnguy wrote: |
Of course. That's why he did it. Because we all know Koreans or Korean Americans are the only ones to do something like this.
I know he was Korean. I read the part about dual citizenship. I just want the OP to explain his point. |
The difference is one of scope.
If a Westerner infringes on the justice in Korea, everyone is on their toes to accuse the foreigners of being criminals.
America knows it is the individual and does not incite racial hatred due to the acts of the individual.
The difference is in the scope. |
Scope is my last choice, I prefer Aquafresh, Crest, or Arm and Hammer. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: Re: I was gonna say... |
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| Tobias wrote: |
| I was gonna say somebody should go after ol' Gi Nam and haul him back to the US. I'm sure a nice bounty awaits. |
I sure hope that whatever assets he has in the US have been frozen. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: |
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True Americans (or smart Americans) respect due process.
This guy is only a suspect. Hold off your judgment until he's rightfully judged in a court of law, then let your stereotyping begin. |
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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: Re: I was gonna say... |
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| I was gonna say somebody should go after ol' Gi Nam and haul him back to the US. I'm sure a nice bounty awaits. |
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| I sure hope that whatever assets he has in the US have been frozen. |
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True Americans (or smart Americans) respect due process.
This guy is only a suspect. Hold off your judgment until he's rightfully judged in a court of law, then let your stereotyping begin. |
We have maintained old ways to handle justice. The whole idea that we have to govern ourselves within invisible walls called borders creates both an assault on countries like the US who goes around the world policing and people who actually commit crimes but are not held accountable across the board (only in the right "jurisdiction" may we find fault).
If we had a system that included countries, then I doubt we would see fathers like this one bail out their child. Obviously, the father knew what he was doing. He knew how much he owed, and he knew how much he paid (didn't pay). He knew enough to conclude America wouldn't be able to find him. It's already 10 years later, he is probably nearing death.
Even if he is still living and caught, what will become of it? He will be in jail at the taxpayer's expense. He will have liquidated his assets, and any legal process would be a waste of time and money.
No one will get anything. The criminal already got 10 years of life out of prison. Now that he has a family, we are going to remove the father from the family? Does anyone else see the idiocy in this?
In the pursuit of "not letting the person get away" and kicking the dead horse of "sovereignty" one more time, we are going to sacrifice a lot. |
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EzeWong
Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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I fail to see the point you're trying to make OP
Reasons saying "Have you seen an American do this in Korea" includes many wrong sweeping generlizations:
1) He's an American
a) You're treating Koreans and Americans as mutually exclusive. You are comparing the two as they are seperate entities. In this case he is of both nationalities. Based on syntax alone, you're comparison becomes moot. (ie. Men are good, women are bad. And hermaphrodites?)
b) You are inferring from your conclusion that he is Korean by some cultural standard, thereby making the comparison of a Korean in America versus an American in Korea. An implicit standard of comparing is that they both come from different cultural backgrounds. But the article does not affirm any premise of cultural upbring. We don't know if he had any Korean cultural influence at all.
2) He's not an Expat? Say whuut?
a) You're comparing apples to oranges.
American Expats: Selected from a pool of candiates, who have 4 year degrees, relatively educated , and have a criminal background check for are applying to teach english. Derr, most of us won't kill a 70 year old in his home because the Americans in Korea have been screened for bad behavior. This is not comparable ground to a 19 year old Korean boy from Philly.
Let me put this into perspective. That's like the pope saying: "Americans abuse drugs. We in the Vatican never do drugs. Therefore, Italians are upstanding people whereas Americans are terrible." The Vatican is a poor comparison to prop upon because people from the Vatican are all priests and generally won't commit the act in question.
b) In addition, Let's not forget to take into perspective relative numbers. I could make some disproprotionate comparison. "Everyone in India must have the last name gupta. Because all the Indians in my hometown are named Gupta." There are very few Indians in my hometown compared to India. The number of Indians in my hometown compared to all of India are highly disproprotional. How many Americans are there in Korea? How many Koreans are there in America? We could say Americans won't act like that in Korea, but if there are 3 Americans in Korea, is that going to prove anything? Nothing affirmative in that area.
Lastly, Ameircans don't do this in Korea
a) So it's true that Americans don't kill 70 year old men in Korean homes. Rather we would choose to rape women off the street and fondle young children... Your conclusion has a presuposition of the moral superiority of Americans in Korea versus Koreans in America. There's certianly enough evidence in Korean news to say otherwise isn't there?
b) Victimizing game. It appears to me that the conclusion is an attempt to be self victiming, Oh we're the poor American Foreginers. The Koreans are burning us like in the "Crucible"... boo hoo hoo.
We're both Americans here, let me share to you newsworthy story about a Indian man who was beaten to death after 911 because they thought he was Muslim.
Oh yeah, we treated that foreigner REAL well.
In conclusion: There are a lot more incorrect premises and invalid conclusions from just that statement you made. I respect you all, especially wylie and travel n guy (lol sorry drunken wrong guy) , who have great posts. But I couldn't disagree more. The better arguement to make here is, there is a problem with the dual citizenship of Korean American
Please rebuttal.
Last edited by EzeWong on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:16 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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