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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
One incident. That's all you got.
I know SOME PEOPLE like to take one person and extrapolate to an entire nation. But that's just weak thinking, aka prejudice. |
Nation? Don't know what you're on about, but you said you'd be surprised to see the same kind of racism in places like Idaho, headquarters of the Aryan Nations, the largest most organized modern white supremacist group in the States. Their headquarters, as you can see in the link above, are in Idaho.
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With a population shy of 6,000, Sandpoint rests at the tip of the Idaho panhandle, just south of the Canadian border. Agriculture, the arts, timber and tourism flourish there. Sandpoint is also in an area that many white supremacists have hoped would become an "Aryan" homeland.
Extremists associated with the Aryan Nations paramilitary Identity group are particularly fond of this scenario. Sandpoint is roughly 40 miles from the Aryan Nations compound in Hayden Lake, Idaho. The late Robert Miles, once the Midwest coordinator for that group, urged white supremacists to move to the Pacific Northwest to form a whites-only nation in the states of Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Oregon. In 1989, Miles sold his Michigan farm and moved to Oregon. The leader of Aryan Nations, Richard G. Butler, moved from Southern California to Northern Idaho in 1973 and has encouraged whites to build a "national racist state" in the region. Many violent extremist criminals have affiliated themselves with Aryan Nations, including Buford Furrow, who attacked a Jewish daycare center in Los Angeles in the summer of 1999, and members of the murderous white supremacist terrorist gang, The Order. |
http://www.adl.org/tycoons/The_Move.asp
Arrests Add to Idaho's Reputation as a Magnet for Supremacists
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04EEDA1639F934A15753C1A960958260
Their own white Idaho
http://www.seattleweekly.com/1998-08-05/news/their-own-white-idaho.php
Now, unless you were hallucinating, I never extrapolated racism to all of America nor even all of Idaho. Were you hallucinating? |
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mises
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Fine, I'm wrong about Idaho. Apparently I've found someone's whose hobby is to drag up dreck about various states (and then lecture me about how I don't know my own country).
I bet Wyoming isn't that racist.
Anyone want to come out and say Republicans are racist?
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: |
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I guess it is a big country. I grew up not far from Idaho, and we all knew about the camps there.
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| Apparently I've found someone's whose hobby is to drag up dreck |
Umm...have you met Joo Rip yet?
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| Anyone want to come out and say Republicans are racist? |
Maybe strawman_2006 can help you out there. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: |
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I guess it is a big country. I grew up not far from Idaho, and we all knew about the camps there.
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Yeah, I grew up in Alberta, and we always heard about the neo-nazis down in Idaho, and even had a contingent up in our province, out in Caroline.
Alberta's conservative, but I'm not sure if that's why the Aryans decided to move their operaton up there. We did have the history of anti-semitism with Social Credit, but then, there were other places in Canada that had neo-nazis. Ernst Zundel was in Toronto, for example, and there was quite a bit of nazi skinhead activity reported in that city as well. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| For all those who have been saying that Republicans are sinking so low, get ready for the egg on your face. |
And here is a little more. Fair to call people like these, or people such as these, for that matter, representative of "the liberal left," or the Democratic Party's national base? These mob-like, violent, intolerant people? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Bangbayed: glad to hear you disapprove of racial-superiority in Idaho.
How do you feel about MEChA and "La Raza" in California? |
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mises
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Bangbayed: glad to hear you disapprove of racial-superiority in Idaho.
How do you feel about MEChA and "La Raza" in California? |
La Raza can kiss my non cosmic race ass. |
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Gopher
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| Speechless, Mises. Jesucristo. |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| All I knew about Folsom was the Johnny Cash set. Man alive. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| How do you feel about MEChA and "La Raza" in California? |
Never heard of em till now, but I guess they're entitled to their opinion.
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| glad to hear you disapprove of racial-superiority in Idaho |
I can't really approve or disapprove something that doesn't exist, now, can I?  |
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Josquin
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Bang-Kuros exchange...
Just for the record, the phrase "exception that proves the rule" does not mean what it is usually assumed to mean, ie. the rule becomes more solid as a result of an exception being demonstrated. The phrase dates from a time when the word "prove" meant something like "challenge". So, in its original meaning, it was meant as an admission that your opponent in a debate has undermined your point.
Under the current usage of the word "prove", the saying does not really make sense, since a rule becomes less, not more, solid when you show an exception to it.
Not trying to be a know-it-all here. I actually assumed the phrase meant that the rule was proven, in the modern sense of the word, until I read something somewhere about the discrepancy in meaning. |
Not exactly. I thought your comment about this idiom was very interesting, so I looked into it further. See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule
According to Usage #2, the challenge is not held as undermining the point but rather further supports it because the challenge, when closely examined, proves not to fit the criteria of the rule. By extension, people use the phrase to mean "we may test the rule by looking at any possible exception to it". If the exceptions are proved to be invalid then the rule stands.
Very interesting take on a very confusing idiom.
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Gopher
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| How do you feel about MEChA and "La Raza" in California? |
Never heard of em till now, but I guess they're entitled to their opinion. |
You are giving the a pass? Are you against racism or not? |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| bangbayed wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| How do you feel about MEChA and "La Raza" in California? |
Never heard of em till now, but I guess they're entitled to their opinion. |
You are giving the a pass? Are you against racism or not? |
Yeah, that's right Goofer, I'm for racism.  Good way to follow the logic of the thread.
Two days and that's all you got? |
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