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mmarshalynne
Joined: 23 May 2008
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 Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:29 am Post subject: RNC purchases Palin $150,000 clothes. Conversion/Theft? |
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The RNC purchased clothing costing approximately $150,000 for Palin. Is this conversion/theft?
2 USC 439(a) deals with prohibited uses of campaign contributions by Federal Candidates (which includes candidates for VP). Subsection (b) of that section states the following:
(b) Prohibited use.
(1) In general. A contribution or donation described in subsection
(a) shall not be converted by any person to personal use.
(2) Conversion. For the purposes of paragraph (1), a contribution
or donation shall be considered to be converted to personal use if the contribution or amount is used to fulfill any commitment, obligation, or expense of a person that would exist irrespective of the candidate�s election campaign or individual�s duties as a holder of Federal office, including�
(A) a home mortgage, rent, or utility payment;
(B) a clothing purchase;
(C) a noncampaign-related automobile expense;
(D) a country club membership;
(E) a vacation or other noncampaign-related trip;
(F) a household food item;
(G) a tuition payment;
(H) admission to a sporting event, concert, theater, or other form of entertainment not associated with an election campaign; and
(I) dues, fees, and other payments to a health club or recreational facility. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| There's a whole thread devoted ot Palin. This is better posted there. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: |
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aiGR3LnjCwyQ
No surprise, she has a HISTORY of using taxpayer money for PERSONAL expenses:
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Earlier it came out that Palin had charged the government for $17,000 in per-diem payments for 300 days she spent in her own house. Now we find she charged the state for trips that resemble vacations if not junkets.
`Official Business'
One trip with her children on ``official business'' coincided with the opening day of her husband's Iron Dog snowmobile race. Another was to a conference in New York lasting five hours for which Palin billed Alaska for airfare and five days in a hotel on Central Park for her and her daughter, Bristol. For airfare alone, Palin charged the state $21,012 for her daughters while in office.
Knowing this would look embarrassing, Palin amended her reports to make it seem as if her family's presence was required. In fact, event organizers were surprised and had to scramble to accommodate her family.
The latest information on Palin adds to the emerging portrait of someone whose carefully cultivated image is at odds with the way she lives. Her brief tenure reveals a self-dealer who fires qualified enemies (Troopergate, her legislative director), hires unqualified friends (naming a former schoolmate who ``likes cows'' head of agriculture), and who went after the good old boys for cutting ethical corners she'd later cut herself.
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Well, that certainly beats the shock out of her hairstylist expenses!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/palins-makeup-artist-even_n_136858.html
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McCain's September payments of $8,672.55 to "American Idol" make-up artist Tifanie White, who has also worked on the reality dance show "So You Think You Can Dance," are a drop in the bucket on the campaign's beautification front compared to the GOP vice presidential nominee.
The Sleuth has learned that Palin's high-paid traveling make-up artist is Amy Strozzi, who was nominated for an Emmy Award for her work as head of makeup on "So You Think You Can Dance." Strozzi was paid $13,200 by the McCain-Palin campaign last month alone, according to the campaign's latest financial disclosure report filed this week.
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It makes John Edwards $400 haircut, which was ridiculed quite a bit, seem like ridiculously cheap (in Republican money, anyways!)....
...and people wonder why the Republican Party has bankrupted our country whenever they are in office. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Palin, she really knows how to SOCK it to McCAIN!
McCain with his attempted Campaign Finance Reform:
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| Mr. McCAIN. Madam President, the amendment before the Senate is a very simple one. It restricts the use of campaign funds for inherently personal purposes. The amendment would restrict individuals from using campaign funds for such things as home mortgage payments, clothing purchases, noncampaign automobile expenses, country club memberships, and vacations or other trips that are noncampaign in nature. |
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/22/204815/24/493/639218
Great...one of the very few honorable things McCain is NOTED for, and PALIN destroys it!
I can see McCain sitting around Arizona ten years from now describing how Palin destroyed his campaign..."and then she...!!" |
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mmarshalynne
Joined: 23 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Bacasper wrote,
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| There's a whole thread devoted ot Palin. This is better posted there. |
This post isn't just a "Palin" issue. I don't read the Palin thread because I know she is an idiot, fake and a disgrace to all women who have become public officials based on merit. If this was just another, "Palin is an idiot that I hate comment, I would have posted it there." However, I am sure that it wasn't Palin that wrote the check. I'm sure that the Republican National Committe (RNC) doesn't have Palin listed as a signator on their bank account. Certainly, she was complicit. The purchase speaks loudly about the ethics of McCain, Palin and the RNC. I am sure that McCain and the RNC are quite knowledgeable on the restrictions placed on campaign funds, Palin can plead ignorance.
At a time when Republican Senator Stevenson is being tried, in part, for claiming that he did not have to claim as "gifts" items that he had received and used, but did not like and intended to return, (but has not done so four years later), the McCain Campaign, Palin and the RNC are claiming the clothes aren't hers, and that they will be sold afterwards so that she won't have to pay taxes.
How many citizens would want to try dance around these laws? When politicians have so much to lose if they are caught on the wrong side of the line, they seem very confident that their actions will not have repercussions. Why is that? My opinion is that it must just be business as usual.
After explaining why I think my post is appropriate here, I have a question for you. Why is it a big deal to you where I posted? I always wonder why people make such comments. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Even if clothing may not be purchased by the Presidential or Vice Presidential campaign committees (they might have separate committees or one joint committee) with campaign contributions, you are asking about expenditures made by a Political Party for which there are different rules: different donation limits, different donors and different expenditure limitations. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| There's a whole thread devoted ot Palin. This is better posted there. |
Actually, there are at least half a dozen. And all the same, too. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| There's a whole thread devoted ot Palin. This is better posted there. |
Actually, there are at least half a dozen. |
Gee, I wonder why that is. Keep up the good work Sarah!  |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| bangbayed wrote: |
| I wonder why that is. |
Pretty simple, actually.
All legitimate newsworthiness notwithstanding, she inspires a get-her-at-all-costs hysteria in the left. Like the far right and the Clintons. Who else could get an 80+-page thread here besides "Sarah Palin" or "evolution...?" |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Yup. Nothing to do with her, but just the left. Except that quite a solid number of conservatives, less the dude who picked her (Kristol) and a few other true believers have bailed as well.
And she has only gotten worse. Now with her distasteful provincialism. The woman is a total train wreck in every way. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Nothing to do with her, but just the left. |
Whose position does that represent?
The Clintons, too, gave us a lot to talk about. And many on the left disliked them and continue to, for that matter. But there still remains much more to explaining the special kind of attention they receive from the far right. And so it is with Sarah Palin, just from the other side of the political spectrum. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| she inspires a get-her-at-all-costs hysteria in the left...Who else could get an 80+-page thread here besides "Sarah Palin" |
It isn't just that she's terrible, notwithstanding, the strong opposition is just the hysterics from the left. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: Re: RNC purchases Palin $150,000 clothes. Conversion/Theft? |
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Fantastic thread.
| mmarshalynne wrote: |
2 USC 439(a) deals with prohibited uses of campaign contributions by Federal Candidates (which includes candidates for VP). Subsection (b) of that section states the following:
(b) Prohibited use.
(1) In general. A contribution or donation described in subsection
(a) shall not be converted by any person to personal use.
(2) Conversion. For the purposes of paragraph (1), a contribution
or donation shall be considered to be converted to personal use if the contribution or amount is used to fulfill any commitment, obligation, or expense of a person that would exist irrespective of the candidate�s election campaign or individual�s duties as a holder of Federal office, including�
(A) a home mortgage, rent, or utility payment;
(B) a clothing purchase;
(C) a noncampaign-related automobile expense;
(D) a country club membership;
(E) a vacation or other noncampaign-related trip;
(F) a household food item;
(G) a tuition payment;
(H) admission to a sporting event, concert, theater, or other form of entertainment not associated with an election campaign; and
(I) dues, fees, and other payments to a health club or recreational facility. |
I bolded the relevant language. This is a fact-based question. The question is, has Palin used the clothes for anything besides campaign duties? Because, the statute allows clothes to be purchased for Palin, provided those clothes be worn solely for campaign purposes. Note that Palin CANNOT wear the clothes to campaign and then use them for personal use: those clothes are campaign clothes. So once Palin loses the election, she may not keep the clothing. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
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| she inspires a get-her-at-all-costs hysteria in the left...Who else could get an 80+-page thread here besides "Sarah Palin" |
It isn't just that she's terrible, notwithstanding, the strong opposition is just the hysterics from the left. |
You add a "just," a reductionism to my position that was never there.
Try again.
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Kuros: but is there any doubt, for a second, that a pack of wild inquiring minds will follow those clothes to the bitter end and tell us what, in fact, she does with them later -- down to each and every belt, thong, and sock? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Kuros: but is there any doubt, for a second, that a pack of wild inquiring minds will follow those clothes to the bitter end and tell us what, in fact, she does with them later -- down to each and every belt, thong, and sock? |
There is no doubt. Such behavior is as certain as Republicans decrying the influence and pestilence of lawyers, while swearing by their own lawyer when (s)he prevails on their behalf. |
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