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| Which Degree is the Most Worthless? |
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| Communications |
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| Dance |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Philosophy is actually a good pre-law track, so I didn't vote it to the bottom of the heap. I voted art history, although as some posters have pointed out, it depends on your career path and whether or not you get subsequent degrees. If you want to work for a museum and love art, what the hell else can you study?
English lit can be flexible and can work its way into PR or marketing fields, again depending on follow up MAs. One of my best friends from high school got her BA in lit from Harvard, then ending up going back to U of Chicago for her MBA when she couldn't get a job.
Some fields have sub-fields that make them directly relevant to business. Anthropology, phychology, and geogarphy, for example, all have 'economic' subdiciplines that work into global corporate strategy and organizational behaviour very well. Tough to discount them outright. |
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esetters21

Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I have a Business Management Degree.
I have worked as an Electronics Engineer, a Computer Networking Engineer, a Customer Service Engineer, a Sustaining Engineer, A Project Manager, an Electronics Technician, a Satellite Installation Engineer, an Automobile Salesman, and an English Teacher.
Though some of these jobs paid much better I find teaching English to be the most rewarding. |
Same here. I have a BS in Urban/Regional Planning and an MA in GIS. I worked in my field for a brief time, but didn't ever feel a connection (as in I want to do this forever). I had always considered teaching and coaching. I've been doing this for almost 7 years now back home and in Korea and can't see myself doing anything else. |
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BS.Dos.

Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Just wanted to add something to this thread, albeit through a TED talk. An FT buddy of mine has just forwarded a talk by Sir Ken Robinson in which he talks about educational institutions and the idea of educational hierarchies being the same the world over, inasmuch that some areas of academia are seen as being more preferential than others. He also talks about the idea of 'academic inflation' which I think many will identify with.
It probably wont change much, but it's made me re-think the way I assign value to subjects that I regard as being 'academically' important, especially considering that I voted for dance in the above poll.
You can watch his 20-minute talk here. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| Jandar wrote: |
Yes, I have a Business Management Degree.
I have worked as an Electronics Engineer, a Computer Networking Engineer, a Customer Service Engineer, a Sustaining Engineer, A Project Manager, an Electronics Technician, a Satellite Installation Engineer, an Automobile Salesman, and an English Teacher.
Though some of these jobs paid much better I find teaching English to be the most rewarding. |
It certainly makes a nice mid-career break. |
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bede777
Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I actually started off as a philosophy major. Trust me, it wins. The reason I got out of it was because I got sick of arguing about if I exist or not. That sounds very steriotypical, but it was true. I had two classes where every week we argued for and against existance. Finally, I just decided I had enough of formal philosophy. |
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Omkara

Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Philosophy the most useless? Hmmm. I got one. I found it applies universally.
Sure, it doesn't lead directly to a specific job. But it never antiquates. It gives one the tools needed to think clearly. And, thinking clearly, it can be used in conjunction with other training and that training will be augmented.
I've since gotten an MA in Literature. When I've taught English, Literature or composition classes, my training in philosophy has only made my classes clearer and more interesting.
Philosophy is also excellent training for moving into Law, Medicine, and any field which requires analysis of causality.
But if you want a cookie-cutter career path, I must admit that philosophy is not practical. One must be creative to use the degree to its best advantage, and that advantage is not necessarily implied by that acquisition of the piece of paper and those entitlements. Still, those entitlements do open doors, as well or better than other degrees.
For example, if the requirement is simply a degree, all degrees placed side-by-side, the philosophy degree can imply that the holder has a certain ability to think critically.
Again, I must admit that I have had to augment my philosophy degree with an advanced degree, and next a certificate. These, taken together, will make me very competitive in the arena of education.
I would argue that even a degree in Religious Studies can be a very useful degree, provided it is used wisely. It could work very well for someone who would want to do research in human psychology.
On the other hand, Religious Studies could be lucrative, provided the holder has certain rhetorical skills and an ability to gain the support of a congregation.
And this is coming from a militant atheist. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Omkara wrote: |
Philosophy the most useless? Hmmm. I got one. I found it applies universally.
Sure, it doesn't lead directly to a specific job. But it never antiquates. It gives one the tools needed to think clearly. And, thinking clearly, it can be used in conjunction with other training and that training will be augmented.
I've since gotten an MA in Literature. When I've taught English, Literature or composition classes, my training in philosophy has only made my classes clearer and more interesting.
Philosophy is also excellent training for moving into Law, Medicine, and any field which requires analysis of causality.
But if you want a cookie-cutter career path, I must admit that philosophy is not practical. One must be creative to use the degree to its best advantage, and that advantage is not necessarily implied by that acquisition of the piece of paper and those entitlements. Still, those entitlements do open doors, as well or better than other degrees.
For example, if the requirement is simply a degree, all degrees placed side-by-side, the philosophy degree can imply that the holder has a certain ability to think critically.
Again, I must admit that I have had to augment my philosophy degree with an advanced degree, and next a certificate. These, taken together, will make me very competitive in the arena of education.
I would argue that even a degree in Religious Studies can be a very useful degree, provided it is used wisely. It could work very well for someone who would want to do research in human psychology.
On the other hand, Religious Studies could be lucrative, provided the holder has certain rhetorical skills and an ability to gain the support of a congregation.
And this is coming from a militant atheist. |
I agree, the problem is like most grads nowadays, they can't think for themselves, they just list off a bunch of names they learned in uni to sound smart and never question a professor. Some of the people coming out of education degrees nowadays are like zombies  |
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head-in-the-clouds

Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Location: London for now
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Omkara wrote: |
Philosophy the most useless? Hmmm. I got one. I found it applies universally.
Sure, it doesn't lead directly to a specific job. But it never antiquates. It gives one the tools needed to think clearly. And, thinking clearly, it can be used in conjunction with other training and that training will be augmented.
I've since gotten an MA in Literature. When I've taught English, Literature or composition classes, my training in philosophy has only made my classes clearer and more interesting.
Philosophy is also excellent training for moving into Law, Medicine, and any field which requires analysis of causality.
But if you want a cookie-cutter career path, I must admit that philosophy is not practical. One must be creative to use the degree to its best advantage, and that advantage is not necessarily implied by that acquisition of the piece of paper and those entitlements. Still, those entitlements do open doors, as well or better than other degrees.
For example, if the requirement is simply a degree, all degrees placed side-by-side, the philosophy degree can imply that the holder has a certain ability to think critically.
Again, I must admit that I have had to augment my philosophy degree with an advanced degree, and next a certificate. These, taken together, will make me very competitive in the arena of education.
I would argue that even a degree in Religious Studies can be a very useful degree, provided it is used wisely. It could work very well for someone who would want to do research in human psychology.
On the other hand, Religious Studies could be lucrative, provided the holder has certain rhetorical skills and an ability to gain the support of a congregation.
And this is coming from a militant atheist. |
I agree, the problem is like most grads nowadays, they can't think for themselves, they just list off a bunch of names they learned in uni to sound smart and never question a professor. Some of the people coming out of education degrees nowadays are like zombies  |
Ands yours was the golden generation  |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| head-in-the-clouds wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Omkara wrote: |
Philosophy the most useless? Hmmm. I got one. I found it applies universally.
Sure, it doesn't lead directly to a specific job. But it never antiquates. It gives one the tools needed to think clearly. And, thinking clearly, it can be used in conjunction with other training and that training will be augmented.
I've since gotten an MA in Literature. When I've taught English, Literature or composition classes, my training in philosophy has only made my classes clearer and more interesting.
Philosophy is also excellent training for moving into Law, Medicine, and any field which requires analysis of causality.
But if you want a cookie-cutter career path, I must admit that philosophy is not practical. One must be creative to use the degree to its best advantage, and that advantage is not necessarily implied by that acquisition of the piece of paper and those entitlements. Still, those entitlements do open doors, as well or better than other degrees.
For example, if the requirement is simply a degree, all degrees placed side-by-side, the philosophy degree can imply that the holder has a certain ability to think critically.
Again, I must admit that I have had to augment my philosophy degree with an advanced degree, and next a certificate. These, taken together, will make me very competitive in the arena of education.
I would argue that even a degree in Religious Studies can be a very useful degree, provided it is used wisely. It could work very well for someone who would want to do research in human psychology.
On the other hand, Religious Studies could be lucrative, provided the holder has certain rhetorical skills and an ability to gain the support of a congregation.
And this is coming from a militant atheist. |
I agree, the problem is like most grads nowadays, they can't think for themselves, they just list off a bunch of names they learned in uni to sound smart and never question a professor. Some of the people coming out of education degrees nowadays are like zombies  |
Ands yours was the golden generation  |
Screw off. This has been happening for a while now. The education degree holders though have gotten much worse. I'm sorry, but most people in general don't think for themselves anymore, and would much rather leave that responsibility to the governement or the schools. I only graduated 6 years ago. |
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head-in-the-clouds

Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Location: London for now
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| head-in-the-clouds wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Omkara wrote: |
Philosophy the most useless? Hmmm. I got one. I found it applies universally.
Sure, it doesn't lead directly to a specific job. But it never antiquates. It gives one the tools needed to think clearly. And, thinking clearly, it can be used in conjunction with other training and that training will be augmented.
I've since gotten an MA in Literature. When I've taught English, Literature or composition classes, my training in philosophy has only made my classes clearer and more interesting.
Philosophy is also excellent training for moving into Law, Medicine, and any field which requires analysis of causality.
But if you want a cookie-cutter career path, I must admit that philosophy is not practical. One must be creative to use the degree to its best advantage, and that advantage is not necessarily implied by that acquisition of the piece of paper and those entitlements. Still, those entitlements do open doors, as well or better than other degrees.
For example, if the requirement is simply a degree, all degrees placed side-by-side, the philosophy degree can imply that the holder has a certain ability to think critically.
Again, I must admit that I have had to augment my philosophy degree with an advanced degree, and next a certificate. These, taken together, will make me very competitive in the arena of education.
I would argue that even a degree in Religious Studies can be a very useful degree, provided it is used wisely. It could work very well for someone who would want to do research in human psychology.
On the other hand, Religious Studies could be lucrative, provided the holder has certain rhetorical skills and an ability to gain the support of a congregation.
And this is coming from a militant atheist. |
I agree, the problem is like most grads nowadays, they can't think for themselves, they just list off a bunch of names they learned in uni to sound smart and never question a professor. Some of the people coming out of education degrees nowadays are like zombies  |
Ands yours was the golden generation  |
Screw off. This has been happening for a while now. The education degree holders though have gotten much worse. I'm sorry, but most people in general don't think for themselves anymore, and would much rather leave that responsibility to the governement or the schools. I only graduated 6 years ago. |
I graduated in 2001, are you saying that people have changed in six years... |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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I graduated in 2001, are you saying that people have changed in six years... |
Yes (though that question couldn't have another answer). Especially education majors (or maybe it's just more education programs are popping up and allowing more stupid people in than before...). People are getting dumber, and personal responsibility has been thrown right out the door. I see it everytime I come back home (though I have settled back down in my home country now). |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Omkara wrote: |
Philosophy the most useless? Hmmm. I got one. I found it applies universally.
Sure, it doesn't lead directly to a specific job. But it never antiquates. It gives one the tools needed to think clearly. And, thinking clearly, it can be used in conjunction with other training and that training will be augmented.
I've since gotten an MA in Literature. When I've taught English, Literature or composition classes, my training in philosophy has only made my classes clearer and more interesting.
Philosophy is also excellent training for moving into Law, Medicine, and any field which requires analysis of causality.
But if you want a cookie-cutter career path, I must admit that philosophy is not practical. One must be creative to use the degree to its best advantage, and that advantage is not necessarily implied by that acquisition of the piece of paper and those entitlements. Still, those entitlements do open doors, as well or better than other degrees.
For example, if the requirement is simply a degree, all degrees placed side-by-side, the philosophy degree can imply that the holder has a certain ability to think critically.
Again, I must admit that I have had to augment my philosophy degree with an advanced degree, and next a certificate. These, taken together, will make me very competitive in the arena of education.
I would argue that even a degree in Religious Studies can be a very useful degree, provided it is used wisely. It could work very well for someone who would want to do research in human psychology.
On the other hand, Religious Studies could be lucrative, provided the holder has certain rhetorical skills and an ability to gain the support of a congregation.
And this is coming from a militant atheist. |
I agree completely. Philosophy taught me how to think, not what to think, and even though it hasn't directly translated into any kind of material wealth--it has indirectly shown me how to better my life on my own accord. It isn't a fluff, Resume-stuffing degree, it simply teaches you how to think well.
Philosophy is direly lacking these days, as we can see mass groups of people not being able to think critically or logically. The amount of illogical, fallacious thinking that prevails in modern Western media is a perfect example.
I also think Religious Studies should only be taken seriously if it focuses on the history of religion and all that it has done wrong. If it is for the sake of creating future pastors, as is a Degree in Ministry/Divinity, then it is complete and utter garbage (as is Ministry).
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I agree, the problem is like most grads nowadays, they can't think for themselves, they just list off a bunch of names they learned in uni to sound smart and never question a professor. Some of the people coming out of education degrees nowadays are like zombies |
Yeah, I don't know how people like this manage to graduate. There have always been first year university students who fit this description--as long as there have been universities. We all know exactly who I'm talking about too. Sadly, we see them the most in Intro Philosophy (101) classes.
Ideally, these people would never graduate. I think in the past, these people either smartened up or were booted by their second or third year. Now, especially on large and anonymous campuses, tools like this manage to graduate and remain tools the entire while.
In my university, a large part of our mark in year three and year four was based on our ability to argue well in the classroom. It helped that there was only twenty-thirty students in the upper level Philosophy department. No stupid Philosophy majors were allowed to graduate there and I'm proud of that.
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head-in-the-clouds

Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Location: London for now
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| head-in-the-clouds wrote: |
I graduated in 2001, are you saying that people have changed in six years... |
Yes (though that question couldn't have another answer). Especially education majors (or maybe it's just more education programs are popping up and allowing more stupid people in than before...). People are getting dumber, and personal responsibility has been thrown right out the door. I see it everytime I come back home (though I have settled back down in my home country now). |
put simply...bollox. Your talking doggy doo  |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| head-in-the-clouds wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| head-in-the-clouds wrote: |
I graduated in 2001, are you saying that people have changed in six years... |
Yes (though that question couldn't have another answer). Especially education majors (or maybe it's just more education programs are popping up and allowing more stupid people in than before...). People are getting dumber, and personal responsibility has been thrown right out the door. I see it everytime I come back home (though I have settled back down in my home country now). |
put simply...bollox. Your talking doggy doo  |
As opposed to most of your posts Well, we just disagree then. |
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head-in-the-clouds

Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Location: London for now
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| head-in-the-clouds wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| head-in-the-clouds wrote: |
I graduated in 2001, are you saying that people have changed in six years... |
Yes (though that question couldn't have another answer). Especially education majors (or maybe it's just more education programs are popping up and allowing more stupid people in than before...). People are getting dumber, and personal responsibility has been thrown right out the door. I see it everytime I come back home (though I have settled back down in my home country now). |
put simply...bollox. Your talking doggy doo  |
As opposed to most of your posts Well, we just disagree then. |
Trust me on this. people dont get dumber and lose responsibility in the space of six years. I'm sure we were bigger jerkoffs at graduation than we are now. Maybe not for some  |
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