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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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 Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:05 am Post subject: Kindergartens Employ 'Questionable Foreign Teachers' |
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Straight from the horse's mouth. Some Korean governmental minister has now decided to paint teachers of kindergartens with one brush as questionable.
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96% of Private Kindergartens Offer English Classes
By Kang Shin-who
Staff Reporter
Nearly all private kindergartens run English classes, Rep. Choi Jae-sung of the Democratic Party said Thursday. Choi conducted a survey of 274 private kindergartens across the country and found that 262 or 96 percent provide English classes.
The monthly tuition for English classes averaged at 25,000 won per child. The kindergartens were found to have invested an average 2.7 million won for English education facilities. Also, 44 percent of them had native English speakers.
Choi said there are many unqualified English-speaking teachers at the kindergartens. ``We�ve found that many kindergartens are hiring questionable foreign teachers,�� Choi said.
Asked why they provide English classes, 66 percent raised ``demands from parents,�� 13.4 percent contributed it to ``competition with other kindergartens,�� and 10.3 percent said the ``government's policy strengthening English education.��
``More and more English education institutes for preschoolers have sprung up, shouldering parents with higher costs,�� Choi said.
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| The monthly tuition for English classes averaged at 25,000 won per child. |
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jkelly80
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| They act like parents are forced at gunpoint to enroll their children and pay these fees. It seems to me the gov't is saying "because of the herd mentality of our culture, our citizens are incapable of choice". |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| When I worked at B....I in Hannam-Dong, they were charging 900,000 per month per montessori kid! The Chungdam branch was over 1,000,000 per month, and the gov't was trying to push down the fees. |
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wylies99
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| Kindy parents are usually charged AT LEAST 1 million won per month. The most I've heard of was 2 million. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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The 25,000 is in addition to the kinder tuition. It covers the pay of the teacher, and a little additional profit. The kids are only getting 2 - 4 hours a week instruction.
The Korean teacher at my son's kindergarten was pathetic. I could barely understand her and grammatically challenged to say the least. I would rather have a high school graduate from any Western country teach my son English than a Korean English teacher. The Korean definition of qualified needs to start in their own backyard. |
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Whirlwind
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| For the millionth time, who hired them? Koreans. Stop complaing about them when you bring them on over. Here's another newsflash for you, Korea: Qualified people aren't going to come over here for a year or two, giving up everything that they have back home, work for peanuts(and yes, 2.5 million is peanuts even without the currency drop), no career advancement whatsoever and deal with whether they get paid or not. You have to accept who you can get. You ain't gonna get the upper crust, so stop with this obsession of having "qualified" teachers...they ain't coming. Either accept who you can get or stop having English classes with foreign teachers. Real simple. |
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umpittse
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Kindergartens Employ 'Questionable Foreign Teachers' |
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| Whistleblower wrote: |
Straight from the horse's mouth. Some Korean governmental minister has now decided to paint teachers of kindergartens with one brush as questionable.
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96% of Private Kindergartens Offer English Classes
By Kang Shin-who
Staff Reporter
Nearly all private kindergartens run English classes, Rep. Choi Jae-sung of the Democratic Party said Thursday. Choi conducted a survey of 274 private kindergartens across the country and found that 262 or 96 percent provide English classes.
The monthly tuition for English classes averaged at 25,000 won per child. The kindergartens were found to have invested an average 2.7 million won for English education facilities. Also, 44 percent of them had native English speakers.
Choi said there are many unqualified English-speaking teachers at the kindergartens. ``We�ve found that many kindergartens are hiring questionable foreign teachers,�� Choi said.
Asked why they provide English classes, 66 percent raised ``demands from parents,�� 13.4 percent contributed it to ``competition with other kindergartens,�� and 10.3 percent said the ``government's policy strengthening English education.��
``More and more English education institutes for preschoolers have sprung up, shouldering parents with higher costs,�� Choi said.
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First of all, read the quote. "We've found that MANY kindergartens are hiring questionable foreign teachers" Many means a lot, not all.
Second, I have worked in these so called Kindergarten schools and Choi is right. There are many questionable native English speaking 'teachers' working at them. I worked at one Kindergarten school where I was the only native English speaker with a real degree and it's a Bachelor of Education degree. And by 'real degree' I mean one that requires you to study for four years at an institution of higher education. The fact that they didn't possess any higher education wasn't what in my mind made them questionable. I know many ESL teachers without university degrees who are very compeptent educators. It was there behaviour and attitudes. One of them showed up drunk several times a week and another was just a plain nutcase. The nutcase would wear a long black trench coat and a MP3 player while teaching. Furthermore, he was extremely negative towards kids, teaching and life, and, was the most anti-social person I have never met. Sadly, these are only a few of the many examples I could draw upon to illustrate my support of Choi's assertion. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Kindergartens Employ 'Questionable Foreign Teachers' |
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| umpittse wrote: |
| Second, I have worked in these so called Kindergarten schools and Choi is right. There are many questionable native English speaking 'teachers' working at them. I worked at one Kindergarten school where I was the only native English speaker with a real degree and it's a Bachelor of Education degree. And by 'real degree' I mean one that requires you to study for four years at an institution of higher education. The fact that they didn't possess any higher education wasn't what in my mind made them questionable. I know many ESL teachers without university degrees who are very compeptent educators. It was there behaviour and attitudes. |
Considering is it illegal for E2'ers to teach English in kindergartens, the entire news "story" is moot. Did any of these school owners get fined for hiring native speakers to teach English illegally in their kindergartens? My bets are on "not". |
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Join Me
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Kindergartens Employ 'Questionable Foreign Teachers' |
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| umpittse wrote: |
| Whistleblower wrote: |
Straight from the horse's mouth. Some Korean governmental minister has now decided to paint teachers of kindergartens with one brush as questionable.
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96% of Private Kindergartens Offer English Classes
By Kang Shin-who
Staff Reporter
Nearly all private kindergartens run English classes, Rep. Choi Jae-sung of the Democratic Party said Thursday. Choi conducted a survey of 274 private kindergartens across the country and found that 262 or 96 percent provide English classes.
The monthly tuition for English classes averaged at 25,000 won per child. The kindergartens were found to have invested an average 2.7 million won for English education facilities. Also, 44 percent of them had native English speakers.
Choi said there are many unqualified English-speaking teachers at the kindergartens. ``We�ve found that many kindergartens are hiring questionable foreign teachers,�� Choi said.
Asked why they provide English classes, 66 percent raised ``demands from parents,�� 13.4 percent contributed it to ``competition with other kindergartens,�� and 10.3 percent said the ``government's policy strengthening English education.��
``More and more English education institutes for preschoolers have sprung up, shouldering parents with higher costs,�� Choi said.
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First of all, read the quote. "We've found that MANY kindergartens are hiring questionable foreign teachers" Many means a lot, not all.
Second, I have worked in these so called Kindergarten schools and Choi is right. There are many questionable native English speaking 'teachers' working at them. I worked at one Kindergarten school where I was the only native English speaker with a real degree and it's a Bachelor of Education degree. And by 'real degree' I mean one that requires you to study for four years at an institution of higher education. The fact that they didn't possess any higher education wasn't what in my mind made them questionable. I know many ESL teachers without university degrees who are very compeptent educators. It was there behaviour and attitudes. One of them showed up drunk several times a week and another was just a plain nutcase. The nutcase would wear a long black trench coat and a MP3 player while teaching. Furthermore, he was extremely negative towards kids, teaching and life, and, was the most anti-social person I have never met. Sadly, these are only a few of the many examples I could draw upon to illustrate my support of Choi's assertion. |
Please...I have worked at the same hawgwan (kindergarten) for several years. The first owner was a great guy but also an alcoholic who would get in fist fights with his wife at company dinners (she loved it as much as he did). Our current director? Her favorite past time is to drag young middle school students into the hall and scream at them at the top of her lungs until the kids break down and cry. She loves to tell us how she "has to make them cry." The foreign teachers I have worked with have been the definition of "normal" compared to the management. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:09 am Post subject: |
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The 25,000 is in addition to the kinder tuition. It covers the pay of the teacher, and a little additional profit. The kids are only getting 2 - 4 hours a week instruction.
The Korean teacher at my son's kindergarten was pathetic. I could barely understand her and grammatically challenged to say the least. I would rather have a high school graduate from any Western country teach my son English than a Korean English teacher. The Korean definition of qualified needs to start in their own backyard. |
Korean parents are paying much more than 25,000. |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Kindergartens Employ 'Questionable Foreign Teachers' |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| umpittse wrote: |
| Second, I have worked in these so called Kindergarten schools and Choi is right. There are many questionable native English speaking 'teachers' working at them. I worked at one Kindergarten school where I was the only native English speaker with a real degree and it's a Bachelor of Education degree. And by 'real degree' I mean one that requires you to study for four years at an institution of higher education. The fact that they didn't possess any higher education wasn't what in my mind made them questionable. I know many ESL teachers without university degrees who are very compeptent educators. It was there behaviour and attitudes. |
Considering is it illegal for E2'ers to teach English in kindergartens, the entire news "story" is moot. Did any of these school owners get fined for hiring native speakers to teach English illegally in their kindergartens? My bets are on "not". |
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crusher_of_heads
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| They act like parents are forced at gunpoint to enroll their children and pay these fees. It seems to me the gov't is saying "because of the herd mentality of our culture, our citizens are incapable of choice". |
It is impossible to debate that premise. |
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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Kindergartens Employ 'Questionable Foreign Teachers' |
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| umpittse wrote: |
| I have worked in these so called Kindergarten schools and Choi is right. There are many questionable native English speaking 'teachers' working at them. |
Thanks for the confirmation. For a second there I believed that you doubted me. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Kindergartens Employ 'Questionable Foreign Teachers' |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| ...Considering is it illegal for E2'ers to teach English in kindergartens, the entire news "story" is moot. Did any of these school owners get fined for hiring native speakers to teach English illegally in their kindergartens? My bets are on "not". |
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