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Why don't they have pens or paper?
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:10 am    Post subject: Why don't they have pens or paper? Reply with quote

Just a random question. It's one of the daily annoyances at the High School.

Either the students don't have pens/pencils (rare), or they don't have paper (common). When I was a kid, we'd be hung up for not bringing paper to class (most kids had those Five-Star notebooks). These kids think it's absolutely ludicrous that I'm even asking them to write something down that's not on a formatted worksheet.

"Does anyone have a notebook here today?"
*Everyone* "없어요!"

My co-teachers think it's weird that I think it's weird. They tell me that they don't use paper in their classes either, other than worksheets. The kids also don't seem to have backpacks...

...Is this a cultural thing?
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EuroFunk



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: jobless in Busan

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nah, stuff seems to always disappear over time.
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Korussian



Joined: 15 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know. It bothers me. My vocational classes show up without any writing utensils of any kind.

I'm putting a stop to that this week. No pen = leave the class.
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Jeff's Cigarettes



Joined: 27 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heck, most of my Ss not only have a bag but it's the pull along kind that airline stewards use. Everyone has an English notebook and they write in it almost every class.
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Easter Clark



Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before the bell rings we ask the kids if they have their notebooks and pens. If they don't, they can go to their homeroom class to get them. If they don't have them once we've started class, it's punishment time (which, depending on the co-teacher, will be anything from a beating of the love stick to having to write lines).

A couple of weeks ago, 4 out of 36 students brought their notebooks to class. They all thought it was funny when I started to act shocked. So I made them go get their notebooks. Then, I gave 32 students writing punishment for an hour and fifteen minutes ("My English classroom is a place for learning and nurturing" 50 times in English and 50 times in Korean) while the other four got to play with their iPods or sleep. The next class, every student had their notebook.
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too thought it was strange they don't usually have notebooks to write things. When they do, they are extremely small and thin.

It's so funny to see these pencil cases like a cute fluffy pink pig or small bag of Starbucks coffee sitting on their desk, but with no pencils.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're teaching in your own classroom it's one of those things you have to be Draconian about.
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
If you're teaching in your own classroom it's one of those things you have to be Draconian about.


Yes. I had 3 bright lights last Friday who thought they were getting away with doing nothing last Friday in the period right before lunch-they stayed an extra 15 minutes before getting to devour delicious white rice.
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jadarite



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to use the toilet paper logic, or lack of, to better understand why they don't bring paper to class.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jadarite wrote:
You have to use the toilet paper logic,


And would that be to put toilet paper absolutely everywhere but in the toilet?
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Frequent problem Reply with quote

Been there, experienced this problem all too often.

I force my students to return to their dorm rooms to get whatever they forget, or I rent pencils and books to anyone with a short memory. 1,000 won per pencil per hour and 2,000 won per hour per book covers it quite nicely. It's a good way to make some side dough for the department. I get the money from my no-brainers and drop it in the cash box. It's amazing how much mullah one can accumulate in a semester.

Blank paper is free, but handouts must be purchased. 500 won per sheet covers that.

I'm thinking of starting a penalty system for being tardy. 5 minutes late: 500 won. 15 minutes late: 2000 won. Double these rates for smokers. That should work.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you get a punch of pens and assign a trustworthy kid to make sure they are all picked up? You could have a sign up sheet where they put their names if they took a pen or what have you.

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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
Could you get a punch of pens and assign a trustworthy kid to make sure they are all picked up. You could have a sign up sheet where they put their names if they took a pen or what have you.


Not with my kids. It'd work with some classes, but with others... I'd get three back out of twenty.

With some of my boy's classes... I think the reason they don't give them writing utensils or anything smaller than their pinky fingers is because they might be choking hazards. To get all my pens back, I'd have to make rounds punching them in the stomach to see if they hemorrhage anything. Laughing
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Easter Clark



Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
Could you get a punch of pens and assign a trustworthy kid to make sure they are all picked up. You could have a sign up sheet where they put their names if they took a pen or what have you.


I tried that last year--I had a sign-out sheet at the front of the class and labeled each pen with a number. The problem you have then is, it takes 10 minutes to get everyone's pen, and the students will just forget a pen in hopes that they can use one of yours.

The best way is, as Yu-Bum-Suk said, to be harsh about it the first few times until bringing a pen to class becomes second-nature.
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buymybook



Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride

PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
If you're teaching in your own classroom it's one of those things you have to be Draconian about.


What do you mean "my own classroom?" I teach in a different room almost everytime. I don't have my own classroom, but I'm going to lay down the law with my the 9th grade boys/lazy Korean co-teacher who sits in the back room while I teach. I'm going to tell the idiot his little babies are not welcome in my classroom unless they have a pencil.

What is with those fill-up lead things? Gosh I hate those, why don't they use the regular lead pencil? I gather that it's cool to have the other kind.
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