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Why can't Koreans give reliable friggin directions?
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philipjames



Joined: 03 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: Why can't Koreans give reliable friggin directions? Reply with quote

It was late for work today because I got lost on a new route. I ask a crossing guard for directions to my school. A general direction would do me fine. I follow her directions then end up miles in the wrong friggin direction. I ask someone else. Their directions lead me even further from the school. Ask a third person. Their directions are the complete opposite of the previous two people. Shocked

I've encountered this before in Korea. Why the hell can't they just give an honest answer to an honest question?

"I don't know," is much better than pretending you know and then screwing someone around whose already stressed about being late for work. Grrrr.
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Poemer



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a country with almost no posted street names or addresses, you would think people would have to develop pretty good direction-giving skills. Sadly, without their gps to lead them, everyone is totally clueless and completely lost.
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chevro1et



Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Location: Busan, ROK

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems that many Koreans have no inate sense of direction in general. Hell, half of them cant even walk a straight line down the sidewalk, let alone tell you what direction a given destination is.
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because in Korea it doesn't matter which direction you go in, it's all the same.

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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are they giving you directions in English or Korean?

I find it hard to believe you could find 3 people to speak English, let alone give you directions.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poemer wrote:
In a country with almost no posted street names or addresses, you would think people would have to develop pretty good direction-giving skills.


Everywhere I've seen lately has the posted street names and the house numbers on the building. You'll see that information on the 2-color plastic placard attached to dthe front of the building. One part has the house number and the other part has the street name.

Of course, that is for the new addressing system which the Korean government has been trying to get people to use for the last few years. This year is the last year the people have a choice to not use it.

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Sadly, without their gps to lead them, everyone is totally clueless and completely lost.


Couldn't agree with you more on this part! Come the end of this year, when the old Japanese-devised addressing system officially becomes part of the past, I'll bet the entire country will be walking around in circles.
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philipjames



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
Are they giving you directions in English or Korean?

I find it hard to believe you could find 3 people to speak English, let alone give you directions.


I asked them in Korean.

Someone made a good point that everything looks alike. That is exactly how I got lost. Should I go towards those tall graey buildings in that direction, or those buildings that look exactly the same in the opposite direction?

A little diversity in architecture would help immensely.


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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody uses or even seems to grasp (no boyscouts in ths country?) the Four Directions (N,S,E,W) except at the broad regional level, like Chungcheong-nam & -buk (which is my favourite misnomer, those stupid things are so clearly East/West!) or at the district level (Gangnam/Gangbuk) which we already know and doesn't help you nagivate the streets.

Dashboard-mounted GPS navigation panels didn't come a minute too soon for these people. Funnily, one of the things I remembered seeing in almost every Korean tax in the late '80s, early '90s were those little compasses glued onto the dash. Did you ever have a compass on your car dash? I never did, but I can see how they'd be a good idea. Anyway, in Korean cars they were essentially just for decoration. I asked drivers how/if/when they used their compass, and more than half the time they'd tell me it was broken.

So you end up having to rely on landmarks, which in much of Seoul (and all of Gangnam) means "some big building that everyone knows". Have a look at the bus route maps (mounted on the inside, painted on the outside, printed in route books, up on the internet) and you'll see bus-stops named for banks that went under during the IMF --11 fking years ago, and we're all still yapping about the "Han-mi Eun-haeng Intersection"?? You nitwits!!


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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, a thread about how Koreans

-can't just give an honest answer to an honest question
-(are) totally clueless and completely lost
-have no innate sense of direction in general

very informative. Rolling Eyes
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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
very informative. Rolling Eyes

And penetrating and insightful and... um.... what's that... trenchant! Yeah, that's the one. I'd say we're looking at a Pulitzer here. Cool
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Bingo



Joined: 22 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a similar experience looking for the post office once. I was on a lunch break and was looking for the central post office. I was in the correct vicinity but couldn't find it. I asked several different people (in Korean) and ended up getting wildly different (and incompatible) directions. I ended up giving up and rushing back to school. I was really annoyed as I really needed to take care of something at the post office that day.

I mentioned this to a Korean friend. She said to never ask Koreans for directions. They would rather give you wrong directions than admit they didn't know the answer. Shocked

The whole 'saving face' thing again.


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Benicio



Joined: 25 May 2006
Location: Down South- where it's hot & wet

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She said to never ask Koreans for directions. They would rather give you wrong directions than admit they didn't know the answer.


Bingo!

Same thing with immigration or banking. Someone will tell you what they may think is right or just make up any random answer to avoid appearing foolish in not knowing. That's why when you ask 3 three different people at the same organization, you will most likely get 3 different answers.
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ernie



Joined: 05 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't get me started on this issue. i've been here for 2 years and i'm pretty sure i have a better sense of direction than most of these cab drivers who've lived in seoul for over 50 years (or maybe they're just trying to rip me off by taking the long way).

one of the biggest problems for me is the stupid dong addressing system. i live in 9-dong, so where does my dong end and another one begin? is 9-dong next to 8-dong? of course not, that would be too simple!

my theory is that the south korean government wants directions to be as difficult as possible in order to confuse potential invaders. nothing could be this retarded by accident. the only surefire place to meet someone is at a subway station.
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Bingo



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they had actual street names, I could simply have asked (in Korean), "Excuse me. Where is Sejong Road?" (Unfortunately, if they didn't know where it was they'd still manufacture directions.) Very Happy Shocked

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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've noted that many Koreans seem to have no spatial sense. That's why I respect taxi drivers in this country.

In my first year, I lived in Suwon and rode around on a scooter to visit students' homes. After a couple months, I usually had to give my boss directions on everywhere, because he couldn't find his way around his own hometown.
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