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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: Current economic crisis = foreigner's / for. media's fault |
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I see a shift in blaming the current financial crisis on foreigners and the foreign media.
In the past week or so, several Korean newspapers have been pushing "feel-good" articles on the Korean won. By that, I mean when the won has made tiny gains, they make the gains sound massive. It almost seems like a coordinated effort (I'm talking in the English papers) to make foreigners feel like things aren't all that bad.
I'm now seeing a great deal of the reporting focusing around how those darned evil foreigners are responsible for this mess, because they're pulling their money out (true, but little or no attention as to any Korean faults as to why they're pulling out money). Now, it seems, those nasty foreign reporters may cause everything to go to hell in a handbasket, so maybe we shouldn't believe them:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2008/10/123_33324.html
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By Kim Jae-kyoung
Staff Reporter
All bailout measures and stimulus packages to boost the economy and stabilize the financial market will not prove to be effective unless Korean policymakers restore confidence from both local and foreign investors, analysts said.
An exodus of foreign capital and the deep fall of the local currency indicate that Korea is being exposed to a self-fulfilling financial crisis, a crisis driven by a fall in confidence rather than by bad economic fundamentals, they said.
Growing fears of a recession has forced overseas investors to desert Korea, causing the local currency to tumble. This, in turn, spawns fears that the currency may collapse like it did in the 1997-1998 financial crisis, which again triggers another selling spree.
President Lee Myung-bak and his economic policymakers may be scratching their heads as the financial market turmoil is only turning for the worse despite massive bailout measures for local banks suffering a liquidity crunch.
Foreign media are making headlines day after day with news that Korea is closer to another financial crisis although the government defends the soundness of the economy and solvency of local banks.
The domestic financial markets have been crashing even after a series of rescue efforts. The key index KOSPI dipped below 1,000 points for the first time in 40 months, while the won plunged to a 10-year low against the dollar.
Foreigners net-sold 42.6 trillion won ($29.59 billion) worth of local stocks this year, the largest since the market's opening in 1992. Foreign share holdings accounted for around 30 percent of total market capitalization, down from 42.95 percent in 2004.
Market experts said that in order to escape the trap of a self-fulfilling crisis, the government should put top priority on restoring confidence.
They stressed that unless the country restores confidence, upcoming bailout measures, including additional rate cuts and the central bank's purchase of bank bonds, will not help stabilize the financial markets and stimulate the economy.
``Massive bailout plans are actually good and are steps in the right direction. But the problem is poor confidence in the leadership of the current administration and a lack of coordination between ministries,'' a global investment bank executive told The Korea Times, asking not to be named.
``In my view, the most important issue the government should do is to restore confidence in the global market by convincing creditors that Korean bank debts are safe,'' he added.
He pointed out that if only a massive bailout can protect a country from a loss of confidence, the government should demonstrate its willingness to service bank debts through decisive and timely measures.
Signs of the country heading for a self-fulfilling crisis is evident in the recent fall of the local currency. The currency has shown extreme volatility, while the economy is on a much sounder footing than a decade ago.
Korea is now the world's 13th largest economy with foreign reserves of $239.6 billion in September, the sixth largest in the world and the second largest among OECD member countries.
Corporate debt ratio has fallen to around 95 percent from 420 percent in 1997, while local lenders' Bank for International Settlement (BIS) ratio stands at 10.5 percent, well above the international average of 8 percent.
Despite the nation's sound fundamentals, the won has been depreciating at a much faster pace than other developing economies. It has lost 34.2 percent in value against the dollar since the beginning of this year, compared to Thailand (-13.2 percent) and Taiwan (-2.6 percent).
``Regardless of economic fundamentals, a crisis can visualize if investors do pull their money out en masse due to loss of confidence,'' a market analyst said.
``In other words, if an investor self-confirms that a currency collapse seems likely, a country may suffer an unnecessary crisis,'' he added.
In a recent interview with The Korea Times, McKinsey and Company Asia Pacific Chairman Dominic Barton said that another crisis is unlikely, but Korea has to be careful in handling this turmoil because it can fall into the trap of a self-fulfilling crisis.
A self-fulfilling crisis occurs when an economy is subject to an exodus of foreign capital as a result of investors' loss of confidence in the market where fears feed on other fears. Even if the economy is solvent, the rush of investors to pull their money out of the country at once will cause liquidity in the economy.
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, man, but this crisis was born in America. When things are bad, the first things to be retracted are overseas offices and accounts.
And foreign media ARE forecasting bad times for Korea.
Sounds accurate to me. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Blame it on America. I've seen you echo this in various other threads too.
In case you haven't noticed, Korea's crisis with their currency is very different compared to other currencies in Asia. That is the crisis we're talking about here. If foreigners want to pull their money out of here, that's their choice. If they had never put it here in the first place, what would the difference be now?
A lot of people have been living off of the notion of perceived wealth which was never really there. Now there is a massive correction going on. Is that the waygook's fault? |
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have me confused with someone else? This is the first time I've BLAMED America for anything.
Your quote highlight mentions the FINANCIAL crisis, not CURRENCY crisis. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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crescent wrote: |
Do you have me confused with someone else? This is the first time I've BLAMED America for anything. |
Wait.. you're right. Got you confused with someone else. Apologies. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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The reason this is the US' "fault" is only because so many other countries have hitched their wagons to our horse. It's our fault that our horse got sick, but not that everyone else's wagons have broken down. |
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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I realize financial problems and currency problems are parts of the same whole, but really Korea's currency issues ARE being irritated even more by the situation in the west... (America).
Foreign companies now have another reason to pull back on their overseas deals. |
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jdog2050

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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jkelly80 wrote: |
The reason this is the US' "fault" is only because so many other countries have hitched their wagons to our horse. It's our fault that our horse got sick, but not that everyone else's wagons have broken down. |
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This. Although the problem definitely started because of American greed, it *spread* because of Icelandic, Korean, European, etc, etc, etc greed.
Now, as for why people are taking their money out of korea: maybe because this country is already such an iffy investment? Having worked here for almost 3 years, I'd never invest in a Korean company. Ever. Hwaeshiks (company dinners), horrible time management, calcified and confuscianized managers, no respect for contracts, under-bidding, on and on. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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re: the OP;
Would you expect anything less from a country that named their previous financial mess after the institution that bailed them out?
It was NOT an "IMF Crisis". It was a Korean Financial Mismanagement Crisis. |
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wanderingross
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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OP- Try not to be so offended. They're not refering to you or any other foreign expat teaching here. They're refering to the big bludge bracket investment banks, pension funds, mutual funds, insurance companies and hedge funds that a top taking massive losses in the US can't afford another meltdown overseas. And these institutions that I speak of are not limited to American firms. Across the gamut of large finance everyone is hording their tattered balance sheets into cash. American dollars to be more specific. So don't think that their worried about foreign English teacher currency remmitance. We are like a speck of dust in sand storm.
And, in in part Korea has to own up to their problems right now. From what I have been able to gather their reaction to the crisis has been slow and their interest rates were artificially placed too high prior to the collapse.
Let us not forget though. It's America that underwrote subprime loans. It was America that packaged and rated the toxic debentured debt. It was America that kept its interest rates artificiall high. And it is America that has been hording vast amounts of foreign debt over the past 10 years. We are at the center of this storm and I have no problem with other countries being pissed at us beacause of it. |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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i can't help but chuckle every time someone blames the current crisis on greed. corporations are legally obligated to maximize their profits (within the law), or can be sued by their shareholders! |
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wanderingross
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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At the expense of global economic security?
Millions of jobs lost, millions of retirement accounts declining to a mere fraction of their value a year ago, not to mention the trillions upon trillions in equity lost world wide. No, I don't think that Country Wide, New Century, or any other of those sub prime lenders deserve anyone defending their "corporate profits" or how the went about procuring them.
There is no doubt that our current situation is caused by a certain amount of greed and arrogance.
And as far as maximizing profits all I have to say is you obiviously have no idea what is going on. Almost every single one of the sub prime lenders went under. Three of the top IB's either went under or got sold at fire sale prices. Shareholder value was all but dissolved. No one is comming out on top here, but its certainly the shareholders, if anyone, who are taking the brunt of this crash. |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: |
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ernie wrote: |
i can't help but chuckle every time someone blames the current crisis on greed. corporations are legally obligated to maximize their profits (within the law), or can be sued by their shareholders! |
The current crisis is the result of stupidity and fraud. That's NOT maximizing profits. That's building a mountain of lies. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: |
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jkelly80 wrote: |
The reason this is the US' "fault" is only because so many other countries have hitched their wagons to our horse. It's our fault that our horse got sick, but not that everyone else's wagons have broken down. |
Shut up! Everything is America's fault, whether or not they had anything to do with it. Koreans massacred a bunch of other Koreans during the Korean war? America's fault. Famine in Africa? America's fault. The current conflict in Georgia? You guessed it; America.
Why bother investing in companies that use ethical business practices when you can go for the quick payoff and then just blame America when the whole thing goes to shit? |
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Sleepy in Seoul

Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: |
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Scotticus wrote: |
jkelly80 wrote: |
The reason this is the US' "fault" is only because so many other countries have hitched their wagons to our horse. It's our fault that our horse got sick, but not that everyone else's wagons have broken down. |
Shut up! Everything is America's fault, whether or not they had anything to do with it. Koreans massacred a bunch of other Koreans during the Korean war? America's fault. Famine in Africa? America's fault. The current conflict in Georgia? You guessed it; America. |
Finally you understand. Welcome away from the dark side! |
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