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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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150K for clothes, 5.3mil for a stage < 1 billion a month in Iraq and god knows how much we're spending on terrorist activities in Iran.
Where are all the so-called fiscal conservative heroes on those boondoggles? Where you at, Kristol, Malkin, and Sowell? |
9-11 terror attacks cost the US how much in damage ?
If the US is doing anything in Iran just remember Iran started it.
You are the guy I was talking about on the other thread - you know the guy given a choice who would proably rather see McCain dead than Ayatollah Ali Khamani. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| MOS, I so enjoyed Taibbi's angry rant (shades of Christopher Hitchens at his most pissed-off!) and the accompanying political cartoon, I've made it my avatar--something I haven't been inspired to change in years. |
It looks great, by the way. 
Actually Tabbi's commentary reminds me more of Hunter S. Thompson...but that would be radiocarbon dating me. 
To be honest and fair...I do think having experience dealing with Russian military aircraft impinging on Alaskan airspace DOES count as 'experience with international issues' (albiet not very much), and I don't think it's unreasonable for a candidate for an office as high as VP of the US to spend a LITTLE money on duds and hair. I think the only fair criticism of Palin here is to go out and spend all that money while simultaneously claiming to be the representative of all the "Joe sixpacks" and "soccer moms" out there; that is a bit hypocritical. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| I don't think it's unreasonable for a candidate for an office as high as VP of the US to spend a LITTLE money on duds and hair. I think the only fair criticism of Palin here is to go out and spend all that money while simultaneously claiming to be the representative of all the "Joe sixpacks" and "soccer moms" out there; that is a bit hypocritical. |
SO TRUE. Palin kind of strikes me as someone who thinks they won the lottery. (In reality, that isn't far off from the truth!)
Amy Strozzi is a CELEBRITY stylist and by the appearance of it, certainly charging prices to match! Someone went to Amy Strozzi, and I highly doubt it was John McCain or someone else. I think its fairly safe to assume that PALIN contacted Amy Strozzi to do her hair at that price.
Now let's take Joo's poor argument about the Democrats paying money for some stage (to which another poster found the Republicans paying MUCH MORE on their convention). Regardless, if they both spent a lot or not, it isn't directly tied to Obama or McCain as they were obviously to busy to coordinate the convention, particularly the budget or accounting, and has SIGNIFICANTLY more to do with their party then the candidates.
With PALIN in particular, the Joe Six-Pack normal average American, for her to deliberately choose to go on huge $150,000 clothing buying sprees, hiring the most expensive celebrity hair stylist she could find, plus charging the State of Alaska to take her kids all over NYC and other American cities on all expense paid trips as well. That kind of stuff is in a completely different ballpark, PARTICULARLY for the Joe-Six-Pack image she tries to portray of just hunting big animals with big guns in the woods all day. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: |
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Don't expect McCain or his supporters to ever say that Palin was a mistake. McCain said, "I don't defend her, I praise her" on MTP.
McCain also noted the one poll that put him within 3 points about ten times, but couldn't name another one. The Republicans need to start defending Senate seats or they are going to end up losing a bunch of them. Goodbye Gordon Smith!
Denial couldn't be deeper. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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The point of the story isn't the clothing nor the price of the clothing. It's the reaction. I think $150,000 for clothing is ridiculous, and I think 5.3 for decorations is equally ridiculous.
What struck me about this story was McCain's idiotic notion that somehow the Palin family was "thrust" into a situation they couldn't handle. It's a pathetic, childish and immature answer to the controversy over the clothing.
What strikes me as even more immature is people like yourself trying to deflect that answer. If the Democrats had defended Obama in anyway by claiming he was "thrust" into this position, McCain and the Republicans (and their defenders) would be having a field day and accusing Obama of being unfit to hold office.
Really, what kind of defense is that anyway? To claim she was "thrust" into this situation is insinuating that she's unprepared for it, yet if anyone attacks Palin by claiming she's unprepared for the office of V.P, McCain and the Republicans froth at the mouth.
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| BritishinSuwon wrote: |
Wonderful argument there. I don't hear the Democrats defending their stage by claiming Obama was "thrust" on to it.
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| democrats 5.3 million for a stage. |
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so 150K for clothes is bad but 5.3 million for a stage is ok?
I don't here any criticism of the democrats for spending money on that?
What do you think about 5.3 million for a decoration? |
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I have never busted on Obama for stuff like that. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: |
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Don't expect McCain or his supporters to ever say that Palin was a mistake. McCain said, "I don't defend her, I praise her" on MTP.
McCain also noted the one poll that put him within 3 points about ten times, but couldn't name another one. The Republicans need to start defending Senate seats or they are going to end up losing a bunch of them. Goodbye Gordon Smith!
Denial couldn't be deeper. |
She was a mistake but in the environment if McCain had choosen Joe Liberman you would have been taking shots at him.
If McCain had selected Romeny or Liberman you would have said same old politics.
What would you have said had McCain choosen Liberman?
By the way all the criticism that would have been thrown at Liberman would have been nonsense in that Biden has probably voted more with Liberman than John McCain has voted with Bush. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
Don't expect McCain or his supporters to ever say that Palin was a mistake. McCain said, "I don't defend her, I praise her" on MTP.
McCain also noted the one poll that put him within 3 points about ten times, but couldn't name another one. The Republicans need to start defending Senate seats or they are going to end up losing a bunch of them. Goodbye Gordon Smith!
Denial couldn't be deeper. |
She was a mistake but in the environment if McCain had choosen Joe Liberman you would have been taking shots at him.
If McCain had selected Romeny or Liberman you would have said same old politics.
What would you have said had McCain choosen Liberman?
By the way all the criticism that would have been thrown at Liberman would have been nonsense in that Biden has probably voted more with Liberman than John McCain has voted with Bush. |
Certainly I don't like Romney or Liberman and wouldn't have voted for McCain even if he had picked them. That's a given. However both would have not only brought creditability to the ticket and more independents.
The sad fact is the party tied McCain's hands to a sinking ship because they felt he needed be stronger with the party base and they thought Palin would bring in women.
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| She was a mistake but in the environment... |
The environment you are referring to is an economy that has been run into the ground by a Republican. Romney being a business man, former governor and someone who turned around the Salt Lake City Olympics, would have in hindsight solved that problem.
The denial continues.... |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
Don't expect McCain or his supporters to ever say that Palin was a mistake. McCain said, "I don't defend her, I praise her" on MTP.
McCain also noted the one poll that put him within 3 points about ten times, but couldn't name another one. The Republicans need to start defending Senate seats or they are going to end up losing a bunch of them. Goodbye Gordon Smith!
Denial couldn't be deeper. |
She was a mistake but in the environment if McCain had choosen Joe Liberman you would have been taking shots at him.
If McCain had selected Romeny or Liberman you would have said same old politics.
What would you have said had McCain choosen Liberman? |
I think Romney would have been a poor choice.
Well, either way, you had a Mormon guy and a Jewish guy.
I personally seriously question Lieberman. I have heard MANY politicians been referred to as anti-american and question their allegiance to their country. Of course, it has ALWAYS been completely unfounded.
HOWEVER, Joe Lieberman only believes in ONE POLITICS...and that is what is absolutely BEST for ISRAEL. He absolutely LOVES bombing muslim countries, almost salivates over it. It really seems the ONLY reason he is so excited to bomb the hell out of the Middle East is because he is SO pro-Israel with every breath he breathes.
I think it would have brought about some real ugly politics if he'd been selected. Christians would have sided with pro-Israel of course, and McCain and Lieberman certainly would have been on the same page. But of course with the ECONOMICS mess the country is in, that would have been their downside regardless. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Lieberman would have had more crossover appeal than Palin, especially among the kind of Democrats who are either outright pro-Israel, or support Israel out of some vaguely held default position along the lines of "well, they're our democratic allies so we gotta back 'em up".
He would, however, been unacceptable to the Religious Right, as would have Romney, though for different reasons(imagine millions of evangelical parents having to explain to their kids why they're voting for a guy whose religion is sending him straight to hell). |
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The Hammer
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| democrats 5.3 million for a stage. |
Smells an awful lot like a Dick Cheney and Halliburton project except that it's off by several billion dollars. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| democrats 5.3 million for a stage. |
Smells an awful lot like a Dick Cheney and Halliburton project except that it's off by several billion dollars. |
Doesn't change the fact that Saddam never gave up his war. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| democrats 5.3 million for a stage. |
You should watch this video to be reminded of the ways in which the world has changed--exponentially--and continues to do so, which has large implications for the kind of leader we choose Nov 4th. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the present and future.
Http://release.theplatform.com/content.select?pid=x7aVOMrlfkkijQwcLllwk6WjB5JE0zrF
John McCain is technological dinosaur:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2403704/John-McCain-technology-illiterate-doesnt-email-or-use-internet.html
I don't favour a technological illiterate with a record of unexceptional academic qualifications or understanding of basic economic issues (ditto his VP) with a 10%-removed-from-Bush voting record to lead the country out of the pretty deep *beep* we're in economically.
Bush policies are what put us here after all.
We need a top-educated, technologically aware, modern individual with far different, thoughtful ideas than the stereotypical caricatures (The Straight-Talkin' War Hero and The Gun-Totin' Hockey Mom/Pitbull With Lipstick) trotted out by the Republicans in this election. The ignorance of it all scares me.
And it's looking like the voters in this country understand this.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| democrats 5.3 million for a stage. |
You should watch this video to be reminded of the ways in which the world has changed--exponentially--and continues to do so, which has implications for the kind of leader we choose Nov 4th. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the present and future.
Http://release.theplatform.com/content.select?pid=x7aVOMrlfkkijQwcLllwk6WjB5JE0zrF
John McCain is technological dinosaur:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2403704/John-McCain-technology-illiterate-doesnt-email-or-use-internet.html
I don't favour a technophobe with a record of unexceptional academic qualifications or understanding of basic economic issues (ditto his VP) with a 10%-removed-from-Bush voting record to lead the country out of the pretty deep *beep* we're in economically.
Bush policies are what put us here after all.
We need a top educated, technologically aware, modern individual with far different, thoughtful ideas than the stereotypical caricatures (The Straight-Talkin' War Hero and The Gun-Totin' Hockey Mom/Pitbull With Lipstick) trotted out by the Republicans in this election.
And it's looking like the majority of voters in this country understand this. |
John Mccain doesn't use the internet cause the the Vietnamese busted his hands.
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McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain�s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain�s encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He�s an avid fan - Ted Williams is his hero - but he can�t raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.
After Vietnam, McCain had Ann Lawrence, a physical therapist, help him regain flexibility in his leg, which had been frozen in an extended position by a shattered knee. It was the only way he could hope to resume his career as a Navy flier, but Lawrence said the treatment, taken twice a week for six months, was excruciatingly painful.
�He endured it, he wouldn�t settle for less,� said Lawrence, who rejoiced with McCain when he passed the Navy physical. �I have never seen such toughness and resolve.� |
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/12/why-cant-mccain-email/
You ought to be ashamed of your post.
More than that McCain understands the nature of the enemy the US faces.
That is the best thing about him. |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Canuckistan,
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I don't favour a technological illiterate with a record of unexceptional academic qualifications or understanding of basic economic issues (ditto his VP) with a 10%-removed-from-Bush voting record to lead the country out of the pretty deep *beep* we're in economically.
Bush policies are what put us here after all.
We need a top-educated, technologically aware, modern individual with far different, thoughtful ideas than the stereotypical caricatures (The Straight-Talkin' War Hero and The Gun-Totin' Hockey Mom/Pitbull With Lipstick) trotted out by the Republicans in this election. The ignorance of it all scares me.
And it's looking like the voters in this country understand this.
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Add me to the list and also voting for your articulation of the future and these well chosen and spoken works...... necessary "chew" for all those still refusing to face the reality of a future moving under our feet....
DD
http://eflclassroom.ning.com |
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canuckistan
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Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Joo, Spare us the drama queen shtick. The shame is his. He is trying to get the top job of a superpower after all; he should have had this one figured out a long time ago-- The American computer engineers had it figured out in 1988 :
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-3892026.html
A quadriplegic can do it but John McCain, for all his wealth and privilege, cannot.
I guess it all depends on the importance the individual attaches to being able to use a *basic* tool of technology these days, and how stubbornly disconnected and defiantly incurious they want to remain.
To me it displays a glaring intellectual laziness which in this day and age is completely unacceptable for the President of the United States --birthplace of so many of these technologies! |
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