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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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I find those two to be the easiest to understand (Mexico and Peru). Who cares about Castellano? The New World is where it's at. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Actually, there is no 'pure' English. The reason why nobody speaks like Beowulf anymore is because language is fluid, and always changing... and there are no superior forms.
But if there's one place I'm going to be proved wrong, it's definitely this thread. |
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jinks

Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Location: Formerly: Lower North Island
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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I speak a British variety of English, but since I've been in Korea I have adopted a few N. American usages. It's easier on the students, and I kind of like the sound of it. I haven't changed my accent or anything, I'm just speaking in a way that is more easily understood by most people here. The OP is obviously a troll; no one language variety (or language, even) is inherently better or worse than any other. It's ok to have a preference, but that's all it is - personal taste. I kind of like the way North Americans find the very ordinary British English use of 'fortnight' quaint and unusual. |
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GreenlightmeansGO

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: |
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I speak the purest English.
'Nuff said.
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santafly
Joined: 20 Feb 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: |
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wrong, wrong, wrong!
On the subject of English: I did some counting - about 340 million Gringos (Kanucks included) vs. about 140 million Brits, Scots, Irish, South Afrikanz, Aussies, and Kiwis. With adjustments for people who don't speak English as a first language in these countries, North American English outnumbers all other accents at the very least 2 to 1, perhaps 3 to 1. Not to mention that everyone around the world is learning American English do to wide exposure to American media. So, the real english is American English, plain and simple!
Of course, if this were meant to be intelligent discourse, I would point out that their seems (to me) to be a direct relationship between education and accent: more education = less accent, regardless of place of origin. George Dubya would be a good example here: lack of education (actual, not imaginary) + low intelligence = complete inability to speak English.
When it comes to Spanish, it is widely known that Andean Spanish is the most clear, intelligible, and light on slang (like the Eglish of educated Americans and people from B.C.). It is this Spanish that is taught worldwide (with the exception of Europe evidently). Mexican Spanish is perhaps the most distant from Spain as it is full of Nahuatl (Aztec) words and is mainly slang. Once again, educated people from the Americas (excluding Argentines, who speak some other language bien mariconada, and Chileans, Chile just sucks) all sound pretty similar.
That said, Columbian Spanish is by far the most beautiful. |
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bogey666

Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:09 am Post subject: |
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bundangbabo wrote: |
bogey666 wrote: |
bundangbabo wrote: |
lostandforgotten wrote: |
M-su wrote: |
Based on what?
Give us a valid explanation as to why BrE is better than AmE in simple linguistic terms. |
or Spanish from Spain is better Spanish spoken in South America? |
I'm British and would say in my opinion that American English is superior in a linguistic context.
As for Spanish and the best variant of Spanish spoken - Iberian Spanish is awful - marginally better than Argentine and Chilean Spanish but far down the list with Mexican and Peruvian Spanish being at the top |
wrong. Colombian Spanish (as in among the educated in Bogota) is at the top of the list.
the classic Spanish you want to speak is "castellano".
the problem with Spaniards speaking Spanish is their lisp.
otherwise it's lovely. |
Not wrong at all Bogey - I know you spent your holidays in Bogota a few times but Mexico and Peru were the epicentre of the Spanish empire in the Americas and thats where the crown sent their best diplomats and governors: It is not my opinion - it is most experts opinion that Mexican and Peruvian Spanish are the best types of Spanish to learn - please look it up.  |
I agree and disagree.
I agree that the Spanish spoken by the Districto Federal intelligentsia, ranks right up there, probably just behind Bogota.
just listen to people like Vicente Fox and Jorge Castaneda..
but -- the spanish spoken by most Mexicans,ehhh... not so much.
can be EXTREMELY annoying with that 'singing' sound.... one of the things I am happiest about is that my Spanish has absolutely zero trace of the "Mexican" in it .
can't comment on Peru. I would bet if you did a survey among educated Latin Americans without nationalistic axes to grind, they would probably rank Colombia/Bogota at the top. |
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bogey666

Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:27 am Post subject: |
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santafly wrote: |
wrong, wrong, wrong!
When it comes to Spanish, it is widely known that Andean Spanish is the most clear, intelligible, and light on slang (like the Eglish of educated Americans and people from B.C.). It is this Spanish that is taught worldwide (with the exception of Europe evidently). Mexican Spanish is perhaps the most distant from Spain as it is full of Nahuatl (Aztec) words and is mainly slang. Once again, educated people from the Americas (excluding Argentines, who speak some other language bien mariconada, and Chileans, Chile just sucks) all sound pretty similar.
That said, Columbian Spanish is by far the most beautiful. |
bien mariconada..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHA
you are either a boricua or cubano.. jajajajajajaja
the Argentine Spanish isn't that bad, though they'll also lips and there is a brazilian kind of accent influence in pronounciation as well.
(this also proves my point about the Argentines being hated by other Latins, hahhahah)
anyways.. I think most educated Latins without nationalistic axes to grind would give it to Colombia, as the "purest" and with least accent. (with intelligentsia in DF probably 2nd)
I also think Colombia would technically qualify as Andean, though it's at its northermost tip |
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Suza
Joined: 17 Oct 2008 Location: Ansan
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: |
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cj1976 wrote: |
If anyone thinks that the British accent is the best example of spoken English, they obviously haven't been to Liverpool. Dey speak like dat don't dey? |
lol im a scouser! Yeah and some speak like that, my folks are born in Huyton and i was raised on the Wirral. They haven't got a scouse accent and neither have i! case of bad upbringing me thinks!
Tho the worst has to be Brum!
Back to the thread tho American English is wrong! |
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bundangbabo
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:01 am Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruvian_Coast_Spanish
Here is a decent wikipedia link about Peruvian Spanish and why academics tend to agree that it is the clearest Spanish to learn. I'm not denying Colombian Spanish isn't of a decent standard - and I would be of the persuasion that the barrio chicos in Bogota or Medellin will not be using any kind of classical Spanish either!
I like to listen to Argentine Spanish but it is very Italianized - as are the hand gestures and body language of the Argentinians - they are far more animated than the Peruvians! They are the Italians of South America! |
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i4NI
Joined: 17 May 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:57 am Post subject: |
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Americans made your language famous and understandable to the world. You're welcome. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Like someone said, there is no single British accent. Americans and Canadians all have a similar sounding accent, without as much variations between them.
England is a small place but the accents are so diverse that I have problems understanding what people are saying sometimes.
I'm from the Southeast and I find it difficult to understand some northern accents - especially the Northeast. |
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kiknkorea

Joined: 16 May 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: |
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cj1976 wrote: |
Like someone said, there is no single British accent. Americans and Canadians all have a similar sounding accent, without as much variations between them.
England is a small place but the accents are so diverse that I have problems understanding what people are saying sometimes.
I'm from the Southeast and I find it difficult to understand some northern accents - especially the Northeast. |
Yeah, those Boston and New Jersey accents can be challenging. Or were you talking about England?  |
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M-su
Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Ok, BrE is better than AmE cuz the OP says so.
My accent is pure gold, I've been told on numerous occasions, it's North American. Damn! I better move to the UK and acquire RP, man I'd be a huuuge hit over there. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:09 am Post subject: |
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For an insightful and hilariously raunchy linguistic rebuttal to the OP, I urge all viewers to go to this link:
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=4dhl6t4XYlU
Indian American-Canadian comedian Russell Peters says it all. |
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bobbyhanlon
Joined: 09 Nov 2003 Location: 서울
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: |
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On the subject of English: I did some counting - about 340 million Gringos (Kanucks included) vs. about 140 million Brits, Scots, Irish, South Afrikanz, Aussies, and Kiwis. With adjustments for people who don't speak English as a first language in these countries, North American English outnumbers all other accents at the very least 2 to 1, perhaps 3 to 1. Not to mention that everyone around the world is learning American English do to wide exposure to American media. So, the real english is American English, plain and simple!
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real english is american english, because there are more people speaking it?
with the popularity of hip-hop just growing and growing, if we all started speaking ebonics, would you accept that as the 'real english'? and, since there are 1.3bn people in china, if they all learned 'chinglish', would that be the real english?
anyway if you want to talk numbers, there are hundreds of millions of people in india who speak british english (albeit with an indian accent).
i don't claim british english to be superior to any other, even though i'm from england. anyone who has been to the east end of london, my home city of manchester, or newcastle would find it hard to make a claim for british superiority. but.. since we did invent the damn thing, and its called english, we should at least have an equal share in it  |
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