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On the other hand
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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They are now pretty much openly admitting that Palin is expected to be a marinonette. From Andrew Sullivan...
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Ensuring that news of the Republican National Committee's sartorial spending spree will remain in the headlines for at least one more news cycle, Sarah Palin on Sunday sounded off on the $150,000 wardrobe that was purchased for her in September, denouncing the report as "ridiculous" and declaring emphatically: "Those clothes, they are not my property."
A senior adviser to John McCain told CNN's Dana Bash that the comments about her wardrobe "were not the remarks we sent to her plane this morning."
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Paji eh Wong

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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:28 am Post subject: |
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They are now pretty much openly admitting that Palin is expected to be a marinonette. From Andrew Sullivan...
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Ensuring that news of the Republican National Committee's sartorial spending spree will remain in the headlines for at least one more news cycle, Sarah Palin on Sunday sounded off on the $150,000 wardrobe that was purchased for her in September, denouncing the report as "ridiculous" and declaring emphatically: "Those clothes, they are not my property."
A senior adviser to John McCain told CNN's Dana Bash that the comments about her wardrobe "were not the remarks we sent to her plane this morning."
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No no no. That is not being a dancing monkey. That is called message discipline. |
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mises
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9T0FI2axbU
Sarah don't care.
Anyways:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/10/27/palin_2012/index.html
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Palin 2012 begins
As Ben Smith of the Politico reported over the weekend, the McCain wing of the McCain-Palin ticket is now feuding privately (or not so privately, given that it's making headlines) with the Palin wing of the ticket.
All this feuding naturally turns into speculation about motives, with the most obvious motive being that Palin can read the handwriting on the wall for 2008, knows she has little chance of becoming the next vice president of the United States and is thus angling for a presidential bid of her own in 2012. For more discussion on Palin 2012, Dan Amira of New York magazine has a nice roundup of speculation thus far from the likes of the New Republic's Jon Chait and Noam Scheiber to the Atlantic's Ross Douthat and Andrew Sullivan, among others.
Palin 2012. Has a real nice to ring to it, actually -- but especially for Democrats and liberals, who must be pinching themselves at the very thought of it.
Think about it, indeed: Since George W. Bush's reelection in 2004, the national and even state political news has been almost uniformly bad for Republicans and/or good for Democrats, even if it has often come at the expense of the country: the colossal failure of Bush's Social Security privatization scheme; the administration's bungling of Hurricane Katrina; stagnating wages alongside rising healthcare and gasoline and housing costs; the Abramoff lobbying scandal, the U.S. attorneys political scandal, and the Foley and Craig sex scandals; the president's persistently dismal approval ratings; the lackluster GOP presidential primary field; and the feckless disorientation of the winner of that primary, who proceeded to create Palin, who may turn out to be an unstoppable phenomenon.
The base loves Sarah, the media loves covering Sarah, and Sarah loves the attention from both. She got a little taste of the political catnip this autumn but may not be satisfied yet. If Palin runs for president in 2012 and wins the nomination -- and given the GOP's rather thin bench right now, it's not so ridiculous an idea, is it? -- it would be the next great blessing from the political gods.
Update: Oops, she did it again -- McCain staffers are not happy about Palin going off-script with remarks "not ... sent to her plane" regarding her expensive, RNC-funded wardrobe. |
President Palin in 2012? What historical points of reference do we have for this horrible woman:
http://outraged.chattablogs.com/archives/2008/10/palin-pathology.html
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The revelation that McCain/Palin campaign volunteer Ashley Todd mutilated herself in an apparent race-baiting attempt to draw white voters away from Barack Obama again raises troubling questions about the McCain/Palin campaign and many of its most zealous supporters. By her own admission to Pittsburgh police, the 20-year-old Texan chose to submit a fictional report that she was attacked and robbed at an ATM the night of Oct. 22 by a tall black man who became enraged, beat her, and carved a "B" into her cheek after seeing a McCain-Palin bumper sticker on her car. Todd said the man told her that he was going to teach her a lesson for supporting McCain, and that now she was going to be a "Barack supporter." To support her claim she apparently blackened her own eye and carved a backward "B" on her own face in a mirror (see AP, KDKA, Huffington Post).
Unfortunately, I am not the least bit surprised by Ms. Todd's actions. I would never suggest that all McCain/Palin supporters are crazy, but a significant number particularly of Sarah Palin's most zealous supporters have exhibited behavior sufficiently extreme to suggest that some form of social pathology is indeed taking root in the grotesque traveling circus the McCain/Palin campaign has become. McCain/Palin rallies, and particularly Palin rallies, have turned into festivals of hate as attendees shout "Terrorist!" and "Kill Him!" at each mention of Obama's name and vent their rage at the media by attacking reporters. Numerous written accounts and video clips now circulating online attest to the rabidly hateful behavior of many supporters at McCain/Palin rallies, as well as to their insistence on believing that Obama is a secret Muslim, a terrorist, and perhaps even the Antichrist, even though such rumors have been denounced as lies by Republicans as well as Democrats. Presented with the facts of Obama's American roots and Christian faith, these zealots prefer to hide behind paranoid theories of an unholy, foreign Obama no rational person would take seriously.
Comparisons with Nazis and other historical extremes are all too often facile and gross overstatements of one's case, and are usually best avoided. It is worth noting, however, that the rise of the Nazis in Germany and other examples of extreme demagoguery from history such as the Cultural Revolution in China under Mao Zedong and the Khmer Rouge genocide in Cambodia contained elements common to many such movements, if in less extreme forms. The Nazis, Mao's Red Guards, and the Khmer Rouge all made use of xenophobia and anti-cosmopolitanism, hatred of intellectuals, disdain for cities and the people who inhabit them, and other forms of divisive populism and "anti-elitism" to build working-class and peasant support and to fashion scapegoats at which popular anger might usefully be directed. Infamously in Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, even possessing the soft hands of an educated urbanite was enough to get one executed; and at Chinese universities during the Cultural Revolution professors were thrown from their classroom windows to their deaths on the pavement below. Hitler's Nazis are known not only for the death camps they operated, but also for the persecution of artists and intellectuals as well as for festive book-burnings before cheering mobs of working-class Nazi supporters.
John McCain, Sarah Palin, and other Republicans today are cynically making use of these same forms of demagoguery in their attempt to frighten voters away from Barack Obama and the Democrats. Cultural buttons are pushed in ads and speeches inflaming fear and hatred of the "Other." Attendees at McCain/Palin rallies are told that they are the only "real Americans," and that liberals and other enemies are out to subvert their values and destroy their way of life. They are invited to spew hate at Democratic politicians and news reporters. They are whipped into a frenzy and then sent out to spread the McCain/Palin message of irrational fear and hatred among their fellow Americans. Just as these methods produced extreme results in Nazi Germany, Mao's China, and Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, so they are producing extreme results today across Sarah Palin's America, if not so very extreme.
American writer Sinclair Lewis wrote, "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." A McCain/Palin rally today is not quite the same as those at Nuremberg in the 1930s or on Tiananmen Square in the 1960s, and most McCain/Palin supporters aren't exactly Brownshirts or Red Guards. A significant number particularly of Sarah Palin's most zealous supporters do, however, seem to have drifted into comparable forms of thinking and behavior, convinced that as the last bastion of "the real America" they are surrounded not only by foreign enemies but by domestic enemies as well: liberals, big-city news editors, university professors and their brainwashed students, arugula-eaters, latte-drinkers, immigrants, "uppity" blacks, socialists, gays, secret Muslims. Sarah Palin seems to have awakened something in certain members of the Republican base that John McCain has not, and this is something far darker than mere "enthusiasm." Palin has lit a xenophobic fuse among her most ardent fans, has drawn out all the ugliest hatreds and fears that can take root among people in hard times, and has convinced them that even among their fellow citizens walk mortal enemies.
Ergo, Ashley Todd: An obviously disturbed young woman, willing to use racist tactics in a sick attempt to make white voters nervous about Obama, Ashley Todd is precisely the type of personality I would expect to be drawn to Sarah Palin. Indeed it isn't hard to imagine the 20-year-old Todd as a younger, less fortunate mirror image of Palin herself, and I wouldn't be surprised if Todd identified personally with Palin in ways a psychoanalyst would find fascinating. Her willingnes to mutilate herself suggests anything but good mental health, and the pathological feelings about African Americans her actions reveal put her in good company with others we have seen turning up at Palin events. Sarah Palin's own behavioral history - in particular an apparent fixation on power, delusions of grandeur, and obsessive vindictiveness that as mayor of Wasilla and governor of Alaska has led her to committ impeachable ethics violations - suggests an outlook on life scarcely healthier than Ms. Todd's.
It seems likely that Ms. Todd had emotional problems long before Sarah Palin came along and illuminated her reason for living. It is obvious also, however, that there is a political and racial element in her recent actions that can only be fully understood, if at all, within the context of the McCain/Palin campaign, its alarmingly negative cultural messaging, and the behavior of many of Ms. Todd's fellow McCain/Palin supporters, particularly those who identify most intensely with Sarah Palin. John McCain's campaign might have been in ill health even before Palin's arrival, but her coming has since brought something truly sick to the campaign, truly pathological. Of this, Ashley Todd is but a poster child. |
Yeah, I went there. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, you did.
It seems you and I are thinking along the same lines this morning. A few minutes ago I started a thread with the question: Why is it OK to use socialist but not fascist? |
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mises
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/palin-a-whack-job-top-mcc_n_138523.html?view=print
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Palin A "Whack Job," Top McCain Adviser Says
One of John McCain's advisers recently called his running mate Sarah Palin a "diva" after she went off-script at a rally, and suggested she was looking after her own political future over the current campaign. Now another adviser ups the ante in a conversation with the Politico's Playbook, labeling Palin a "whack job."
Meanwhile, Dana Milbank reports on more signs of division between McCain and his running mate on the stump:
"Sarah Oh-Twelve!" bellowed a man in field coat and jeans, one of several thousand at the Leesburg rally, when Palin spoke about her tax policies yesterday.
The oh-twelve message, if mathematically flawed, seemed to capture the crowd's sentiment. There were "I [Heart] Palin" bumper stickers on cars, "Team Sarah" T-shirts in pink, "Sarah!" pins and countless signs: "You Go Girl." "You're in Palin Country." "Maverick Barracuda." One of the souvenir vendors said his most popular offering was a pin showing Palin next to a pit bull and the usual "McCain-Palin" logo reversed, with her name first and in larger letters.
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Finally, something that I agree with from the McCain camp. |
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mises
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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mises wrote: |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/palin-a-whack-job-top-mcc_n_138523.html?view=print
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Palin A "Whack Job," Top McCain Adviser Says
One of John McCain's advisers recently called his running mate Sarah Palin a "diva" after she went off-script at a rally, and suggested she was looking after her own political future over the current campaign. Now another adviser ups the ante in a conversation with the Politico's Playbook, labeling Palin a "whack job."
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Finally, something that I agree with from the McCain camp. |
From what I hear, these anti-Palin jabs are coming from ex-Romney aides who were hired on with McCain after the primaries. |
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PBRstreetgang21

Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Why is it OK to use socialist but not fascist? |
Because one shares definate facist overtones versus one that is most evidently capitalist and any attempts at classifying it as socialist are beyond ridiculous.
To say that John McCain is using fascist tactics would be extreme. To say Sarah Palin is-- would not.
Her rallies have become events that even conservative pundits and politicians (recently Colin Powell) have expressed REAL CONCERN about, regarding race and rhetoric.
No one serious in politics really thinks Obama is a socialist.
But even conservatives are noting that PALIN rallies (emphasis on the aerial wolf hunter) has taken things to a distressing state. |
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Manner of Speaking

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Palin 'going rogue', looking to 2012 |
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(CNN) -- With 10 days until Election Day, long-brewing tensions between GOP vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin and key aides to Sen. John McCain have become so intense, they are spilling out in public, sources say.
"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.[/b]
"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."
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Six months from now, people are going to have trouble remembering her name. She bought all those clothes because she knows she's destined to for the wilderness of conservative talk-show circuit and is destined to be the next Ann Coulter. |
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Marc Ravalomanana
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Palin 'going rogue', looking to 2012 |
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Manner of Speaking wrote: |
Six months from now, people are going to have trouble remembering her name. |
Six months from now, she is going to be President. |
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On the other hand
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
mises wrote: |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/palin-a-whack-job-top-mcc_n_138523.html?view=print
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Palin A "Whack Job," Top McCain Adviser Says
One of John McCain's advisers recently called his running mate Sarah Palin a "diva" after she went off-script at a rally, and suggested she was looking after her own political future over the current campaign. Now another adviser ups the ante in a conversation with the Politico's Playbook, labeling Palin a "whack job."
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Finally, something that I agree with from the McCain camp. |
From what I hear, these anti-Palin jabs are coming from ex-Romney aides who were hired on with McCain after the primaries. |
Interesting. But it still doesn't look very good, since these guys are still offically employed by McCain/Palin, and are thus essentially attacking their own boss. |
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RJjr

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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Let's keep it real for a moment and look at the two types of voter that Palin brings into the GOP fold:
1) Horny old men who think Palin is hotter than their overweight wives.
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2) Women who watch Desperate Housewives and Sex in the City.
Four years will put some age on her and she won't have near as much appeal to horny old men. Desperate Housewives and Sex in the City will (hopefully) be off the air by 2012. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting. But it still doesn't look very good, since these guys are still offically employed by McCain/Palin, and are thus essentially attacking their own boss. |
You're right. It looks terrible. But when the time comes for the 'History of the Election of 2012' to be written, the chapter on the contest between Romney and Palin will begin in October '08. |
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Manner of Speaking

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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: Re: Palin 'going rogue', looking to 2012 |
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Marc Ravalomanana wrote: |
Manner of Speaking wrote: |
Six months from now, people are going to have trouble remembering her name. |
Six months from now, she is going to be President. |
I'll bet you $5 you're wrong. Loser pays by PayPal. Due date for the bet: April 2, 2009. |
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