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wsnipes



Joined: 27 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:08 pm    Post subject: Questions on getting jobs on arrival not covered in FAQ.... Reply with quote

I am coming to Korea in March either with or without a job, but I am having trouble seeing the advantages looking for work on arrival.

If I do as I often see advised and pay my airfare and look for a job myself, the pay seems to be the same (judging by the jobs advertised here) as the pre-arranged jobs through recruiters - sometimes slightly more but without accom included.

OK, you get more freedom to choose....but if recruiters take so much money, I would expect a better deal - especially if Im making my own way over. I guess if i was overly concerned about where I work, then I'd want to decide on the school myself, but I'm going to be coming for the experience and not a career. So I'm not missing out on much going through recruiters?

Someone please clear this up as I am failling to see the often mentioned great benefits of arriving unattached.

No airfare, no accomodation and no work for a few weeks (until job is landed). Does not sound great, am I missing something?
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Unposter



Joined: 04 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not sure if it is as beneficial as it once was due to the changes in the visa regulations but I am F-5 (married to a Korean) and I am just not that familiar with the changes.

The advantage of just coming here is that you cannot always trust what you are told over the phone or by your recruiter. Being over here, you can see the housing, look at the hakwon or public school, see the curriculum, meet other teachers and staff, know exactly what you are committing to for the next year of your life.

Another advantage is a school is more likely to hire someone here, ready to start tomorrow, especially if there isn't any recruiters fee (as you are knocking on doors and applying directly) then waiting for someone overseas, who they don't really know. It is kind of a bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush.

You may be able to negotiate a slightly hire salary if you do not use a recruiter and you are here ready to go. The school can send you to Japan for a visa run rather than fly you from North America, England, Australia, New Zealand or South Africa.

(I have also heard that you may not be able to get a public school job without a recruiter but I don't really know.)

Anyway, I am not sure these advantages still stand because of the new visa rules. Please make sure you have all documents with you such as a CBC before coming to Korea.

Good Luck!
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waseige1



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know about how much the recruiters make? Knowing this would allow anyone to negotiate a similar amount in salary.
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Poemer



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Mullae

PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my opinion, coming over without a job is more of a benefit for someone who has experience in Korea and knows exactly what they want and how to get it. I got my first job through a recruiter from the states, my second job I got after returning to Korea on my own because I knew the ropes and had enough money to support myself for as long as it would take to get the job I wanted.

I don't think it is even an option for most first-timers anymore anyway, since you have to interview at a consulate before you can get a visa.
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lov2travel



Joined: 21 Oct 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unposter wrote:


You may be able to negotiate a slightly hire salary if you do not use a recruiter and you are here ready to go. The school can send you to Japan for a visa run


Visa Regulations changed in December. If this is your first time teaching in Korea then you can not do a Visa Run to Japan. I found this out the hard way by being told I would be given a visa run but then finding out I couldn't and the school never planned to send me.

I'm currently in korea looking for a job as well after that first job fell through. If you are an american citizen you can go to GUAM for a visa run...which a company may or may not help pay for.

However I don't see how it is beneficial for you to pay for your own ticket over when they will pay for it themselves. You may be able to negotiate but being it's your first time it might be a difficult time and you'd only have the amount of time to get a job..that you have on your tourist visa *and extended tourist visa*
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jellobean



Joined: 14 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="lov2travel"]
Unposter wrote:
If you are an american citizen you can go to GUAM for a visa run...which a company may or may not help pay for.


I don't know whether the Guam part is true, but if you can go to Guam you should get your employer to pay. Tickets to Guam (the few times I've been) are relatively the same as tickets to Japan or other traditional visa destinations. The flight schedules are crappy though.
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Big Pun Lives



Joined: 12 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard on the Boards that you can still do a visa run if your employer does a verification through the KCUE. Is this true?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Pun Lives wrote:
I have heard on the Boards that you can still do a visa run if your employer does a verification through the KCUE. Is this true?


Subject to the whim of the immigration officer handling your visa confirmation application, yes...

BUT

YOU CANNOT get it done. The employer must submit the application to KCUE.

OP:

For a newbie who does NOT speak Korean and does not know the lay of the land the chances of finding a better job in person as compared to doing your research BEFORE signing on the dotted line when you are abroad are about "0".

The chances of wasting $2000+ on a flight from home to here and running into problems (especially since you won't have a visa) are HUGE.


Please let me repeat an old post of mine.
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Really, when it comes to a recruiter, who cares?

From an employee's perspective - A recruiter is nothing more than an introduction to an employer.

REPEAT: From an employee's perspective - A recruiter is nothing more than an introduction to an employer.

Hello Mr. English speaker this is Mr Hakwon owner.
Mr. hakwon owner, this is Mr. English speaker.
Mr. English speaker, here is the contract. Please read and sign.
School, here is the signed contract. Pay me.
Good bye.

-You are not paying them anything (or you shouldn't be).
-THEY DO NOT WORK FOR YOU! - They work for the school.
-They owe you nothing once you get here.
-They are not your friend.
-They are not your baby sitter.
-They cannot help you if things go to *beep* after you get here.


Beyond that it is YOUR responsibility to check the school out.

Do NOT trust ANY recruiter. They are like used car salesmen. They will lie and sell their soul to get the signature on the contract.

Do your own DUE DILLIGENCE in regards to the school or get burned.

Use the recruiters for what they are. Use more than one and keep going until you get what you want. There is no rush and there is certainly no shortage of jobs.

When it comes to the school - again - repeat - Do your own DUE DILLIGENCE.

1st - READ the contract over very carefully. If that doesn't scare you away then...

The best you can do is minimize the risk by talking to MORE THAN ONE of the foreign staff and ask POINTED AND SPECIFIC QUESTIONS (*when the boss is NOT listening over their shoulder). Don't accept non-specific answers and broad generalizations.

No foreign staff references to talk (directly and via e-mail) to = walk away now.

Accept NO EXCUSES for any reason.

.
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wsnipes



Joined: 27 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that is the problem solved then. I wondered what all the fuss was about coming coming without a job/ I will make sure I get everything sorted prior to arriving - thanks for making the piont to do my own extensive research v.clear, i understand the benefit of that.

I can see why coming first maybe would be good once I'm experienced.

Cheers for the pointers.
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