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Gatsby
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 Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: RIP GOP? Can this party be saved? |
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Have Bush, Cheney, McCain and Palin (not to mention Sen. Ted Stevens, etc.) ruined the Republican Party?
John King said on Larry King (no relation?) last night: "If McCain loses there are leading Republicans who are already thinking maybe we need a new party."
Who is in control of the GOP? The lobbyists, the evangelicals and the rednecks.
A lot of old style conservative and moderate Republicans are dropping out of politics or at least endorsing Obama. There doesn't seem to be room for them in the Pentacostal-politics party anymore.
So is it a more socially moderate, economically conservative party that they are thinking about forming?
Opening up the GOP doesn't seem to be on the minds of its leaders:
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Conservatives plan secret post-election strategy session
Two days after next week's election, top conservatives will gather at the Virginia weekend home of one of the movement's most prominent members to begin a conversation about their role in the GOP and how best to revive a party that may be out of power at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue next year.
The meeting will include a "who's who of conservative leaders -- economic, national security and social," said one attendee, who shared initial word of the secret session only on the basis of anonymity and with some details about the host and location redacted.
The decision to waste no time in plotting their moves in the post-Bush era reflects the widely-held view among many on the right, and elsewhere, that the GOP is heading toward major losses next week.
One of the topics of discussion will be how to fashion a "national grassroots political and policy coalition similar to the out Reagan years," said the attendee, a reference to the development of the so-called New Right apparatus following Jimmy Carter's 1976 victory and Reagan's election four years later.
"There's a sense that the Republican Party is broken, but the conservative movement is not," said this source, suggesting that it was the betrayal of some conservative principles by Bush and congressional leaders that led to the party's decline.
But, this source emphasized, the meeting will be held regardless of the outcome of the presidential race. "This is going on if McCain wins, loses or has a recount -- we're not planning for the loss of John McCain."
Either way, Sarah Palin will be a central part of discussion.
If the Arizona senator wins, the discussion will feature much talk of, "How do we work with this administration?" said the attendee, an acknowledgement that conservatives won't always have a reliable ally in the Oval Office.
Under this scenario, Palin would be seen as their conduit to power. �She would be the conservative in the White House,� is how the source put it.
Should McCain lose next Tuesday, the conversation will include who to groom as the next generation of conservative leaders � a list that will feature Palin at or near the top.
Individuals aside, the broader aim of the session is to assess where the party and movement stand after what is virtually certain to be the second consecutive election in which Democrats make gains. The post-mortem will then lead way to a focus on what role conservatives play going forward both in the GOP and the political system ahead of the 2010 midterms....
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/Conservatives_plan_secret_postelection_strategy_session.html?showall
America needs two viable political parties. But it seems it would be easier for moderate Republicans to simply join the Democratic Party. There are plenty of moderate and even conservative officials.
Republicans in Alaska tried forming a Moderate Republican Party, but it hasn't gained any traction.
Frankly, I think the GOP is so fundamentally corrupted, it is not worth saving.
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Here's an interesting comment from the above article:
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Maybe the GRAND WIZARD of the KKK, will play a big role in the REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CORPORATION..If they have Lockjaw Limbaugh and Hannity the CLOWN..They might as well have the Grand Wizard and they can all put on their white hooded robe |
There's more truth to this than you might think. There are some nasty people in control of the Republican Party, and they aren't about to let go. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Much old, rotted dead wood to clear out first. |
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ReeseDog
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Repubs aren't gone. They'll be back in a jiffy - right when America realizes how bad of a screwup voting for Obama is. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| Repubs aren't gone. They'll be back in a jiffy - right when America realizes how bad of a screwup voting for Obama is. |
Yup.
Like another poster said, lot of old, rotten wood to clear out.
During the Democrat reign in Congress (and maybe the Presidency), the Republicans will come back and come back hard.
Just wait and see. Hell, when I get back to the States, maybe I'll run for House. |
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ReeseDog
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| Repubs aren't gone. They'll be back in a jiffy - right when America realizes how bad of a screwup voting for Obama is. |
Yup.
Like another poster said, lot of old, rotten wood to clear out.
During the Democrat reign in Congress (and maybe the Presidency), the Republicans will come back and come back hard.
Just wait and see. Hell, when I get back to the States, maybe I'll run for House. |
I'd vote for you.
2012. Seems like a long way off. Of course, it seems like just yesterday that Al Gore completely lost his mind (and a presidential election. He hasn't found his mind yet.). |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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For those that wish to see the future for the GOP need only to watch New Hampshire.
The Dems are almost certain to take the NH in this election.
There has been a huge push by the Libertarians in NH over the past few years. Some Libertarians have gone as far as to migrate to New Hampshire to establish a beach head.
The Republicans have not taken the hint and changed over so they are competing for the same votes.
There is a Libertarian on the Ballot for every federal office in NH.
This pretty much splits Republican vote and maybe attracts some swing voters.
The Dems will win both Congressional seats and the Senate seat there as well as the Governorship but I don't think they will get over 50% in any of those races.
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." �Plato
Watch New Hampshire |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Elizabeth Dole takes the prize for new lows in campaigning--to sway the Jesus crowd in a tight NC race--guess all those (newly registered) voters the Repubs don't usually give a *beep* about aren't sitting too well at party HQ...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/29/campbell.brown.dole/index.html |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| Repubs aren't gone. They'll be back in a jiffy - right when America realizes how bad of a screwup voting for Obama is. |
Define 'jiffy'. It's taken 28 years for the majority to realize how bad they screwed up in 1980 when they fell for the 'Gov't is evil' guy and his Southern Strategy of divisive politics.
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There has been a huge push by the Libertarians in NH over the past few years. Some Libertarians have gone as far as to migrate to New Hampshire to establish a beach head.
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Are these the rational or the whacky Libertarians? |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| The libertarians in NH are "free state project" members, most of whom are secessionists. |
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Gatsby
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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canuckistan:
Huhhh?????
Are these Republicans nuts?
I still can't believe what I just heard.
I tell you what. There is no GOP.
It is just a figment of some insane egomaniacs' imaginations.
And who cares about some politician's religious beliefs? There is supposed to be separation of church and state in the U.S., people. Don't any Republicans read the Constitution? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| The libertarians in NH are "free state project" members, most of whom are secessionists. |
Todd Palin's long lost cousins?
I'm starting to think libertarians come from families that have no branches.  |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| ...They'll be back in a jiffy -- right when America realizes how bad of a screwup voting for Obama is. |
They might be back by 2010 -- that is, as soon as the imminent Democratic Party dictatorship (White House and Congress) takes point and exposes itself... |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know anything about the AIP. But the Free State types I do know. There is a radio show/podcast called Free Talk Like from Keane NH that serves as their voice. It is unhinged, especially in the wake of the Ron Paul failure. I listen to it from time to time.
However, most libertarians, like myself, look at those types as I'm sure the repubs do the right-wing militias in Montana and Michigan. Most of us just value individual liberty, market economics and the rule of law. And those types of Libertarians have been pushed out of the Republican camp. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| However, most libertarians, like myself, |
Clarification question:
...most libertarians, like myself...
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...most libertarians like myself...
Not a challenge, just a question. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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For some reason I'm having technical troubles posting.
Anyways, I don't know. I was the worst English teacher in Korea. And that's saying something! |
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