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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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 Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: In memory of your Korean War dead ... here's a turtle ship! |
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It's a nice gesture, but can anyone tell me exactly what a turtle ship has to do with the Korean war? Does this make any sense? Was this just some monument that they didn't know what to do with, so they passed it on? If so, it's almost a slap in the face.
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http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2008/10/31/0301000000AEN20081031001800315.HTML
SEOUL, Oct. 31 (Yonhap) -- South Korea will donate a Korean War monument to Colombia this week in a show of appreciation for the thousands of Colombian troops who fought in the bloody 1950-53 war, the South Korean Ministry of Patriots and Veterans Affairs said Friday.
The monument is a 4 by 2.5 meter sculpture of a Turtle Ship, or "Geobukseon," a warship originally designed by legendary Korean naval chief Adm. Yi Sun-shin and used against invading Japanese forces in the early 15th century. The sculpture will be presented Saturday in Colombia's northern port city of Cartegena, the ministry said.
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Meh, the Korean government, and namely the Roh clique, p*ssed in the faces of many veterans last year when they forgave the brutal Korean bastards who served in the imperial Japanese army. Many such soldiers were amongst the biggest perpetrators of crimes as prison camp guards against Anzac, US, UK and British soldiers. The next time this country needs military help, I am inclined to say let it burn to the ground. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| Meh, the Korean government, and namely the Roh clique, p*ssed in the faces of many veterans last year when they forgave the brutal Korean bastards who served in the imperial Japanese army. Many such soldiers were amongst the biggest perpetrators of crimes as prison camp guards against Anzac, US, UK and British soldiers. The next time this country needs military help, I am inclined to say let it burn to the ground. |
Seconded. Korea, the once and future Chinese protectorate. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| Meh, the Korean government, and namely the Roh clique, p*ssed in the faces of many veterans last year when they forgave the brutal Korean bastards who served in the imperial Japanese army. Many such soldiers were amongst the biggest perpetrators of crimes as prison camp guards against Anzac, US, UK and British soldiers. The next time this country needs military help, I am inclined to say let it burn to the ground. |
That's a more complicated issue than you think. Remember that Park Junghee was one of those brutal Korean bastards fighting against his own kind in World War II. Which modern president is basically in the same political party as that guy?
It was a lot safer to call those bastards for what they were under Noh than it is under Lee Myungbag. There was a movement to publicise the names of all (willing) traitors which Noh supported, but Lee Myungbag has made it so it's very possible to get sued for slander by calling traitors traitors.
You're putting words in the mouth of people I'm close to, who HATE Lee Myungbag and had fewer problems with Roh. Absolving traitors of their crimes is a far bigger problem with right-wing Korea than left-wing Korea. |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| Meh, the Korean government, and namely the Roh clique, p*ssed in the faces of many veterans last year when they forgave the brutal Korean bastards who served in the imperial Japanese army. Many such soldiers were amongst the biggest perpetrators of crimes as prison camp guards against Anzac, US, UK and British soldiers. The next time this country needs military help, I am inclined to say let it burn to the ground. |
That's a more complicated issue than you think. Remember that Park Junghee was one of those brutal Korean bastards fighting against his own kind in World War II. Which modern president is basically in the same political party as that guy?
It was a lot safer to call those bastards for what they were under Noh than it is under Lee Myungbag. There was a movement to publicise the names of all (willing) traitors which Noh supported, but Lee Myungbag has made it so it's very possible to get sued for slander by calling traitors traitors.
You're putting words in the mouth of people I'm close to, who HATE Lee Myungbag and had fewer problems with Roh. Absolving traitors of their crimes is a far bigger problem with right-wing Korea than left-wing Korea. |
As far as I recall PJH was not a prison camp guard in SE Asia. These are the people I am talking about. Roh pardoned them, simple as that. Your non-sequitur about the morality of the Korean right on this issue doesn't have a place here. In the one act I cited, he p*ssed in the face of every Aussie fought to liberate this place, plain and simple. |
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Alyssa
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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This is easy to answer 
You see, the Koreans want to show everyone that if they had
built a turtle ship, they would not have needed the other
countries to come to their rescue! So that will help them
feel a little more no-ble.  |
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i4NI
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| Meh, the Korean government, and namely the Roh clique, p*ssed in the faces of many veterans last year when they forgave the brutal Korean bastards who served in the imperial Japanese army. Many such soldiers were amongst the biggest perpetrators of crimes as prison camp guards against Anzac, US, UK and British soldiers. The next time this country needs military help, I am inclined to say let it burn to the ground. |
So everyone should just forgive Japanese as a country, but not the Koreans who were in the Japanese military? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| Meh, the Korean government, and namely the Roh clique, p*ssed in the faces of many veterans last year when they forgave the brutal Korean bastards who served in the imperial Japanese army. Many such soldiers were amongst the biggest perpetrators of crimes as prison camp guards against Anzac, US, UK and British soldiers. The next time this country needs military help, I am inclined to say let it burn to the ground. |
That's a more complicated issue than you think. Remember that Park Junghee was one of those brutal Korean bastards fighting against his own kind in World War II. Which modern president is basically in the same political party as that guy?
It was a lot safer to call those bastards for what they were under Noh than it is under Lee Myungbag. There was a movement to publicise the names of all (willing) traitors which Noh supported, but Lee Myungbag has made it so it's very possible to get sued for slander by calling traitors traitors.
You're putting words in the mouth of people I'm close to, who HATE Lee Myungbag and had fewer problems with Roh. Absolving traitors of their crimes is a far bigger problem with right-wing Korea than left-wing Korea. |
As far as I recall PJH was not a prison camp guard in SE Asia. These are the people I am talking about. Roh pardoned them, simple as that. Your non-sequitur about the morality of the Korean right on this issue doesn't have a place here. In the one act I cited, he p*ssed in the face of every Aussie fought to liberate this place, plain and simple. |
Park Junghee was still a traitor to Korea, just like those prison guards. He's in the same boat as them. Same with a lot of famous and powerful South Koreans. In pretty well the entire history of South Korea, the right-wing politicians and presidents have been protecting these traitors, ever since Rhee Syngman. Some of their treachery was only revealed while Noh was in power, because it would've gotten you locked up for saying it in an earlier administration.
Noh pardoned the prison guards, but Lee Myungbag is making it illegal to slander them. I see a big difference.
It's too late to punish them. What would you have the Korean government do, lock up their grandchildren? All that can be done is to note it in history. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Well, if this were North Korea, we could send all of their grandchildren to the concentration camps. |
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RACETRAITOR
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Well, if this were North Korea, we could send all of their grandchildren to the concentration camps. |
North Korea didn't wait. They executed all the traitors right after liberation. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| I don't see much of a difference b/w the Communists and Rhee circa 1951 in terms of enlightened rulership. Both wanted power, and both felt that killing innocents weren't outside the realm of acceptable behavior. The two Koreas have moved drastically apart in the last 35 years or so, but at that point it was all about consolidating power, and the word 'traitor' was fluid at best. |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| i4NI wrote: |
| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| Meh, the Korean government, and namely the Roh clique, p*ssed in the faces of many veterans last year when they forgave the brutal Korean bastards who served in the imperial Japanese army. Many such soldiers were amongst the biggest perpetrators of crimes as prison camp guards against Anzac, US, UK and British soldiers. The next time this country needs military help, I am inclined to say let it burn to the ground. |
So everyone should just forgive Japanese as a country, but not the Koreans who were in the Japanese military? |
War criminals are war criminals and should not be pardoned. We should, however, move on. |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
It's too late to punish them. What would you have the Korean government do, lock up their grandchildren? All that can be done is to note it in history. |
Don't be obtuse. They should not have received a governmental pardon so late in the day as they did. They should be remembered as what they were, war criminals. Whether or no PCH was is of no relevance to this argument. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
It's too late to punish them. What would you have the Korean government do, lock up their grandchildren? All that can be done is to note it in history. |
Don't be obtuse. They should not have received a governmental pardon so late in the day as they did. They should be remembered as what they were, war criminals. Whether or no PCH was is of no relevance to this argument. |
They should be remembered for what they were, yes. However, they should not be punished for it now, if any are still living. Noh pardoned them from crimes. Lee is trying to erase the memory of what they did. Big difference.
I agree that left-wing politicians in this country have always been too soft on traitors. Just look at Kim Daejoong pardoning traitors Noh Taewoo and Chun Doohwan. The problem with the right wing in this country, in contrast, is that they have harboured traitors and tried to make people forget. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Well, if this were North Korea, we could send all of their grandchildren to the concentration camps. |
None of those in South Korea though. Perhaps they could be sent to English Villages instead?  |
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