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Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject:

mises wrote:

The libertarians in NH are "free state project" members, most of whom are secessionists.

Don't know where you get your information from?

agentX

Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject:

Gatsby wrote:

And who cares about some politician's religious beliefs? There is supposed to be separation of church and state in the U.S., people. Don't any Republicans read the Constitution?

Nope. Well, Chuck Hagel and Olympia Snowe. But not the mouthpieces like Prager.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/prager-equality-unamerican/

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Right-wing radio host Dennis Prager spoke before an audience of 3,000 at Minneapolis� Orchestra Hall, during which he attacked the �left� for constructing �a grand edifice of lies about America.� One of those lies, according to Prager, is that �equality� is an American value:

Equality, which is the primary value of the left, is a European value, not an American value. Let me tell you that right now. I know this sounds offensive to half of my fellow Americans, because they have been Europeanized in their values. The French Revolution is not the American Revolution. The French Revolution said Liberty, Fraternity, Equality. The American Revolution said Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. We have lost touch with what our distinctive American values are. We have distinctive American values. � We have a better value system, and this is being protected by one of the two parties: the Republican party.

Prager forgot Amendment 14 and the Declaration of Independence.

Quote:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal�

Prager represents the "Segregation Today, Segregation Forever" branch of the GOP.

Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject:

agentX wrote:

Gatsby wrote:

And who cares about some politician's religious beliefs? There is supposed to be separation of church and state in the U.S., people. Don't any Republicans read the Constitution?

Nope. Well, Chuck Hagel and Olympia Snowe. But not the mouthpieces like Prager.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/prager-equality-unamerican/

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Prager forgot Amendment 14 and the Declaration of Independence.

Quote:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal�

Prager represents the "Segregation Today, Segregation Forever" branch of the GOP.

Prager is a dope.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

..and the conceptual Life, Liberty and Property came from some European guy named Locke, if my memory serves me.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject:

agentX wrote:

Gatsby wrote:

And who cares about some politician's religious beliefs? There is supposed to be separation of church and state in the U.S., people. Don't any Republicans read the Constitution?

Nope. Well, Chuck Hagel and Olympia Snowe. But not the mouthpieces like Prager.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/prager-equality-unamerican/

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Prager forgot Amendment 14 and the Declaration of Independence.

Quote:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal�

Prager represents the "Segregation Today, Segregation Forever" branch of the GOP.

Equal under the law

The consitituion does not guarantee equality of results.

You are never going to be paid as much as Peyton Manning or Kobe Bryant. Get over it.

agentX

Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject:

Shouldn't you be ranting about how Iran is partnering with Al Qaeda and Lex Luther to form a new Axis of Evil?

Anyway, you know that Socialism stuff Palin rants about?
It's kind of funny since she herself practices that very same Socialism in her own state.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/ap-palins-alaska-spreads_n_139435.html

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McCain said that sounds "a lot like socialism" to many Americans. Palin has derided the Illinois senator as "Barack the Wealth Spreader."

But in Alaska, Palin is the envy of governors nationwide for the annual checks the state doles out to nearly every resident, representing their share of the revenues from the state's oil riches. She boosted those checks this year by raising taxes on oil.

Too much blatant hypocrisy will sink the GOP and force a new group to the surface.

Gatsby

Joined: 09 Feb 2007

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject:

Palin on socialism, see:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27427158

/ / /

The new Republican strategy: Vote for me. Republicans are losers.

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GOP takes new approach in ads for Senate races

By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — In the waning days of the 2008 elections, Republicans from the top of the ticket on down are making a remarkable appeal: Vote for me, because the rest of my party seems headed for defeat.

A spate of new ads paid for by the National Republican Senatorial Committee are premised on Barack Obama beating John McCain. Some even say that Democrats could pick up enough Senate seats to have a filibuster-proof majority of 60 votes. McCain, meanwhile, is arguing that a vote for him is a check against a Democrat-dominated Congress.

"Sending Jeff Merkley to the U.S. Senate could give one party a blank check … again," says an announcer in an ad for Sen. Gordon Smith of Oregon, a Republican in a close race with Merkley, a Democrat. "Especially in this economy, Oregon needs an independent voice in the U.S. Senate."

In North Carolina, where Republican Sen. Elizabeth Dole is at risk of losing to Democrat Kay Hagan, the announcer intones, "Who's the Senate race really about? Hagan or Dole? Neither one. It's about liberals in Washington. They want complete control of the government … The left wants 60 votes in the Senate."

In Louisiana, another ad paid for by the Republican committee said of Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu: "Landrieu votes with Barack Obama 81% of the time. Landrieu endorsed Obama. … Don't give Washington liberals complete control; don't give them a blank check."

"We are not by any means suggesting that John McCain is going to lose this election," said Rebecca Fisher, spokeswoman for the Republican senatorial committee. "What we are saying is, if he does, and if the Democrats win a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, you are looking at radical changes to the direction of our country...."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-30-gop_N.htm#

If that isn't the definition of rats on a sinking ship, I don't know what is.

If I understand Rebecca Fisher, she's saying: "We are not suggesting that McCain is going to lose this election. But we are not suggesting he is going to win it, either."

And she's not saying the Republicans running for Congress are going to all lose, either. But if they do, that's a good reason to elect John McCain.

Here's my philosophy: Dont vote for ANY Republicans, regardless of personal qualifications or character. A vote for one Republican is a vote for the Grand Old Pentacostal Party.

I have followed this principal for many years now, and I have not had one occasion to regret it.

_____

Don't blame me. I voted for Tony.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject:

Gatsby wrote:

Palin on socialism, see:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27427158

/ / /

The new Republican strategy: Vote for me. Republicans are losers.

Quote:

GOP takes new approach in ads for Senate races

By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON � In the waning days of the 2008 elections, Republicans from the top of the ticket on down are making a remarkable appeal: Vote for me, because the rest of my party seems headed for defeat.

A spate of new ads paid for by the National Republican Senatorial Committee are premised on Barack Obama beating John McCain. Some even say that Democrats could pick up enough Senate seats to have a filibuster-proof majority of 60 votes. McCain, meanwhile, is arguing that a vote for him is a check against a Democrat-dominated Congress.

"Sending Jeff Merkley to the U.S. Senate could give one party a blank check � again," says an announcer in an ad for Sen. Gordon Smith of Oregon, a Republican in a close race with Merkley, a Democrat. "Especially in this economy, Oregon needs an independent voice in the U.S. Senate."

In North Carolina, where Republican Sen. Elizabeth Dole is at risk of losing to Democrat Kay Hagan, the announcer intones, "Who's the Senate race really about? Hagan or Dole? Neither one. It's about liberals in Washington. They want complete control of the government � The left wants 60 votes in the Senate."

In Louisiana, another ad paid for by the Republican committee said of Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu: "Landrieu votes with Barack Obama 81% of the time. Landrieu endorsed Obama. � Don't give Washington liberals complete control; don't give them a blank check."

"We are not by any means suggesting that John McCain is going to lose this election," said Rebecca Fisher, spokeswoman for the Republican senatorial committee. "What we are saying is, if he does, and if the Democrats win a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, you are looking at radical changes to the direction of our country...."

Tony? Is that your principal's name?

JK...couldn't resist. Laughing

Gatsby

Joined: 09 Feb 2007

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject:

The GOP went from 1932 to 1952 without winning the White House. And the main reason Eisenhower decided to run as a Republican (he was offered the Democratic nomination) was because he felt sorry for the GOP.

In today's GOP you have a combination of a lack of new ideas and a shifting demographic with younger voters turning toward the Democrats and an increasing percentage of Hispanic voters. As things are going, if the Democrats don't screw up, the GOP has no national future.

In the meantime, the "conservative" commentators are providing an entertaining spectacle, now that they have been neutered....

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November 16, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
The Moose Stops Here
By FRANK RICH

ELECTION junkies in acute withdrawal need suffer no longer. Though the exciting Obama-McCain race is over, the cockfight among the losers has only just begun. The conservative crackup may be ugly, but as entertainment, it�s two thumbs up!

Over at Fox News, Greta Van Susteren has been trashing the credibility of her own network�s chief political correspondent, Carl Cameron, for his report on Sarah Palin�s inability to identify Africa as a continent, while Bill O�Reilly valiantly defends Cameron�s honor. At Slate, a post-mortem of conservative intellectuals descended into name-calling, with the writer Ross Douthat of The Atlantic labeling the legal scholar Douglas Kmiec a �useful idiot.�

In an exuberant class by himself is Michael Barone, a ubiquitous conservative commentator who last week said that journalists who trash Palin (more than a few of them conservatives) do so because �she did not abort her Down syndrome baby.� He was being �humorous,� he subsequently explained to Politico, though the joke may be on him. Barone writes for U.S. News & World Report, where his 2008 analyses included keepers like �Just Call Her Sarah �Delano� Palin.� Just call it coincidence, but on Election Day, word spread that the once-weekly U.S. News was downsizing to a monthly � a step closer to the fate of Literary Digest, the weekly magazine that vanished two years after its straw poll predicted an Alf Landon landslide over Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1936.

Will the 2008 G.O.P. go the way of the 1936 G.O.P., which didn�t reclaim the White House until 1952? Even factoring in the Democrats� time-honored propensity for self-immolation, it�s not beyond reason. The Republicans are in serious denial. A few heretics excepted, they hope to blame all their woes on their unpopular president, the inept McCain campaign and their party�s latent greed for budget-busting earmarks.

The trouble is far more fundamental than that. The G.O.P. ran out of steam and ideas well before George W. Bush took office and Tom DeLay ran amok, and it is now more representative of 20th-century South Africa during apartheid than 21st-century America. The proof is in the vanilla pudding. When David Letterman said that the 10 G.O.P. presidential candidates at an early debate looked like �guys waiting to tee off at a restricted country club,� he was the first to correctly call the election....

The only other widespread post-election conservative ideas are Bush 2000 retreads (market-based health care and education reform). Jindal offers generic gab about how the party must offer Americans �real solutions� and �substance,� but he has yet to offer a real solution to his own state�s gaping $1 billion budget shortfall. Indeed, the only two �new� ideas that the G.O.P. is pushing in defeat are those they condemn when practiced by Democrats: celebrity and identity politics. Palin�s manic post-election publicity tour, which may yet propel her and �the first dude� to �Dancing With the Stars,� is almost a parody of the McCain ad likening Obama to Paris and Britney. Anyone who says so is promptly called out for sexism by the P.C. police of the newly �feminist� G.O.P.

At the risk of being so reviled, let me point out that in the marathon of Palin interviews last week, the single most revealing exchange had nothing to do with her wardrobe or the �jerks� (as she called them) around McCain. It came instead when Wolf Blitzer of CNN asked for some substance by inviting her to suggest �one or two ideas� that Republicans might have to offer. �Well, a lot of Republican governors have really good ideas for our nation,� she responded, without specifying anything except that �it�s all about free enterprise and respecting equality.� Well, yes, but surely there�s some actual new initiative worth mentioning, Blitzer followed up. �Gah!� replied the G.O.P.�s future. �Nothing specific right now!�

The good news for Democrats is a post-election Gallup poll finding that while only 45 percent of Americans want to see Palin have a national political future (and 52 percent of Americans do not), 76 percent of Republicans say bring her on. The bad news for Democrats is that these are the exact circumstances that can make Obama cocky and Democrats sloppy. The worse news for the country is that at a time of genuine national peril we actually do need an opposition party that is not brain-dead.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/opinion/16rich.html?em

IMF crisis

Joined: 27 Mar 2008

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:32 am Post subject:

Ya-ta Boy wrote:

ReeseDog wrote:

Repubs aren't gone. They'll be back in a jiffy - right when America realizes how bad of a screwup voting for Obama is.

Define 'jiffy'. It's taken 28 years for the majority to realize how bad they screwed up in 1980 when they fell for the 'Gov't is evil' guy and his Southern Strategy of divisive politics.

In 1980 I think people fell for the "I'm not Carter" guy.

canuckistan
Mod Team

Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:36 am Post subject:

I think the GOP's #1 problem--they're still the white rich guys club completely unwilling or unable to wrap their heads around the 1-in-5 Americans-don't-speak-English-at-home reality these days. Bobby Jindal as their presidential nominee in 2012 would be just another cynical attempt to convince America they are "a party of all American people."
From the Repub Governer's meeting in Fla this week:

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Democrats are much better at soul-searching than Republicans, who value order and orderly change, if any change at all. If the schedule says the Plenary Session will begin at 9 a.m., you can set your watch by it. They are sensible. The decaf runs out at breakfast first. The red velvet rope used to pen in reporters might as well be an Iron Curtain. Nothing is left to chance. A sentimental passage in Governor Crist�s speech includes explicit stage directions: �Point to heart.�

Looking around at their big state dinner on Thursday night, it�s clear that expanding Republican voters is a challenge. From a riser in the cordoned-off area, I couldn�t see one person of color among the guests, only among the serving staff.

You can fault Democrats for wanting every event to look like America. But if they are to expand their party, Republicans might want to stop holding events that don�t.

sharkey

Joined: 12 Oct 2008

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject:

i hope its dead, its full of fascists

agentX

Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:53 am Post subject:

Meanwhile, the circular firing squad at GOP central continues.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001
Chuck Hagel was at a university giving a speech when he said this:

Quote:

�We are educated by the great entertainers like Rush Limbaugh,� Hagel said Tuesday during a speech in Washington, according to the Huffington Post.

�You know, I wish Rush Limbaugh and others like that would run for office,� a sarcastic Hagel continued. �They have so much to contribute and so much leadership and they have an answer for everything. And they would be elected overwhelmingly. [The truth is] they try to rip everyone down and make fools of everybody but they don�t have any answers.�

Now THAT would be hilarious- Rush Limbaugh running for public office. His own radio show would make excellent material for attack ads.

Gatsby

Joined: 09 Feb 2007

Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:04 am Post subject:

GOP the "Donner Party"?

Quote:

Thursday, May. 07, 2009

Republicans in Distress: Is the Party Over?

By Michael Grunwald

These days, Republicans have the desperate aura of an endangered species. They lost Congress, then the White House; more recently, they lost a slam-dunk House election in a conservative New York district, then Senator Arlen Specter. Polls suggest that only one-fourth of the electorate considers itself Republican, that independents are trending Democratic and that as few as five states have solid Republican pluralities. And the electorate is getting less white, less rural, less Christian � in short, less demographically Republican. GOP officials who completely controlled Washington three years ago are vowing to "regain our status as a national party" and creating woe-is-us groups to resuscitate their brand, while Democrats are publishing books like The Strange Death of Republican America and 40 More Years: How the Democrats Will Rule the Next Generation. John McCain's campaign manager recently described his party as basically extinct on the West Coast, nearly extinct in the Northeast and endangered in the Mountain West and Southwest.

So are the Republicans going extinct? And can the death march be stopped? The Washington critiques of the Republican Party as powerless, leaderless and rudderless � the new Donner party � are not very illuminating.

...

As the party has shrunk to its base, it has catered even more to its base's biases, insisting that the New Deal made the Depression worse, carbon emissions are fine for the environment and tax cuts actually boost revenues � even though the vast majority of historians, scientists and economists disagree. The RNC is about to vote on a kindergartenish resolution to change the name of its opponent to the Democrat Socialist Party.

...

Samuel Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, tells TIME he's so outraged by GOP overspending, he's quitting the party � and he's the bull's-eye of its target audience. But he also said he wouldn't support any cuts in defense, Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid � which, along with debt payments, would put more than two-thirds of the budget off limits. It's no coincidence that many Republicans who voted against the stimulus have claimed credit for stimulus projects in their district � or that Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal stopped ridiculing volcano-monitoring programs after a volcano erupted in Alaska. "We can't be the antigovernment party," Snowe says. "That's not what people want."

"

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1896588,00.html

So, can this "party" be saved?

pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007

Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:21 am Post subject:

In 2000 and 2004, the same could've been said about the Democrat party. Power corrupts. Its just a matter of time before the Dems mess up royally, and the Republicans are back in favor.

ubermenzch

Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea

Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject:

pkang0202 wrote:

In 2000 and 2004, the same could've been said about the Democrat party.

Power corrupts. Its just a matter of time before the Dems mess up royally, and the Republicans are back in favor.

the republicans in their current form will never be back in favor. in order for them to return to power they will need to move closer to the center, just as the democrats have done. and that is going to be a long, painful process.

Quote:

GOP base rips Cantor's National Council for a New America
By ANDY BARR | 5/7/09 6:04 PM EDT
Social conservatives are blasting the National Council for a New America, House Minority Whip Eric Cantor�s (R-Va.) nascent effort to rebrand the Republican Party, as a misguided and weak-kneed initiative that is out of touch with the GOP rank and file.

The council, unveiled last week by Cantor and Sen. John McCain, is designed to be a �forward-looking, grass-roots caucus� that formulates policy prescriptions and communicates with voters in a way that could expand the Republican ranks. In announcing the formation of the group, McCain said he hoped the group would attract moderates and �like-minded Democrats� to a series of public forums around the country.

But social conservatives couldn�t help but notice that the policy areas the group will focus on included no mention of same-sex marriage, immigration or abortion. And the roster of GOP luminaries who signed on to the effort was missing a few of the pols who are most popular with values voters.

�The moderates have been saying the same thing all these years, and now they�re just seeing a renewed opportunity to push their ideas,� said Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), a leading opponent of gay marriage.

�It�s a losing proposition to try to divide social and economic conservatives,� Ken Blackwell, a one-time Ohio secretary of state and former candidate for Republican National Committee chairman, told POLITICO. �They will constantly find themselves backpedaling and apologizing and repositioning because the composition of that group does not reflect a basic reality, which is that social and economic conservatives complement one another.�

read the full politico article at http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22242.html

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