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Omkara



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Location: USA

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:14 pm    Post subject: "Corea" Reply with quote

Maybe there's something I'm missing here.

I have noticed a lot of non-Spanish Westerners spelling "Korea" with a "C." "K" is the standard spelling, and the "C" can only add ambiguity.

We standardize spelling for many good reasons.

I do know that some communists (Kommunists?) spell it "Corea" for subversive purposes, but is there another GOOD reason to choose the alternate spelling?

Enlighten me.
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Jandar



Joined: 11 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Formal subversive spelling.

Corea and Amerika.

Choi Keu Be Ra
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than debate for the umpteenth time why some people spell Korea Corea, it might be more fruitful to get a debate going on the presence or absence of the letter 'u' in words like colo(u)r--like here at Dave's. Along the same lines, how foolish is it to spell jail gaol? These vital issues have not received the full attention that they deserve.
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slim dusty



Joined: 17 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd much prefer it spelt the way which accords to the standard romanization. Goryeo.
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The color/colour is simply owing to a standardization of American spelling. Wasn't it Webster who was the primary force in that?

There was a time when American English wanted to "K" every /k/, as in "Kanada." Whitman even spelled Canada that way. But if people just, in our time, began to spell it with a "K," we'd have good reason to ask the reason why. Are there historical factors at work? Movements asserting identity?

But I do not see why there is a reason to spell it "Corea." Nor have I read former debates on this.

I just want to see if there is any pattern which is greater than arbitrary personal preference fueling this pattern. I'd really like to be educated on this point. Do some people just think that the "C" is prettier? Or is there a larger issue, having to do with maps, etc.?
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Juregen



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the latin language a C in the beginning of the word is pronounced as a [k].
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

slim dusty wrote:
I'd much prefer it spelt the way which accords to the standard romanization. Goryeo.


Could you explain?
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Toon Army



Joined: 12 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wasnt the rumor something about the Japanese wanting to come before the Koreans in the alphabet hence the change from C to K supposedly....or that`s the popular rumor.

I think the old European seafaring maps had Korea down as "Corea".
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the point about Ko-ryo.

Apparently, this whole "C" thing has some linking to Korean resentment of Japan? At least in the popular consciousness?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wasn't it Webster who was the primary force in that?... Are there historical factors at work? Movements asserting identity?... Nor have I read former debates on this.


Yeah, it had a lot to do with asserting American identity.

You haven't read the dozen (at least) threads on this topic? Why not? They can't be that hard to find. You're just not trying.
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I haven't read them. A bit lazy. Mostly, I started this thread at a moment of bored peevishness.

I have a host of pet peeves: Konglish T-Shirts, arbitrary English phrases and punctuation, etc. This was just an extension of that.

Sometimes, the peeve leads to an interesting question. But, had I just used the search engine, that'd not have satisfied my boredom.

So, there you have it. I'd guess you were bored, too. I mean, you didn't skip the thread over.

Still, I am interested if anyone has something interesting to post on the subject. Maybe someone has something new to add.
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Smee



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some old maps read "Corea" because they were made by Europeans, however you'll find that Koreans were ambivalent in the way they spelled their country in English in the early years. Some believe Japan changed the spelling to K, but that's ridiculous, and you'll find stamps and other materials from pre-occupation with the "K" spelling. It's been well-debated and debunked, so run a google search or a search here to read the arguments.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd guess you were bored, too. I mean, you didn't skip the thread over.


No, it's that I find your attempt at a bash-the-Koreans thread idea to be as trollish as your bash-the-Christians threads.
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Omkara



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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I'd guess you were bored, too. I mean, you didn't skip the thread over.


No, it's that I find your attempt at a bash-the-Koreans thread idea to be as trollish as your bash-the-Christians threads.


You got me about Kristians. They're fun to play with. But I do take those arguments seriously, since I see them now playing a negative role in history.

But I'm not bashing on Goreans. Really. Re-read my original post, and you notice that this is about westerners and sertain tchoises about spelling.

If I bash konglish t-shirts, it does not follow that I bash all Goreans.

My kwestion is, is there good dzhustifikation for this, or is it just phashionable?

If there is good justification, then I would like to understand that so as to get a more complete picture.

I never found Kristians to have a justification for their arguments. But that is another thread.
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
Some old maps read "Corea" because they were made by Europeans, however you'll find that Koreans were ambivalent in the way they spelled their country in English in the early years. Some believe Japan changed the spelling to K, but that's ridiculous, and you'll find stamps and other materials from pre-occupation with the "K" spelling. It's been well-debated and debunked, so run a google search or a search here to read the arguments.


Yeah, I read some of those. I was interested to learn that there is a trend in communist subversion to choose the "C." Never heard that before, and it doesn't seem to link with the Japan resentment.
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