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Conundrum: should I fix this like a Korean or a westerner?
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driftingfocus



Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Location: Boston, MA

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:00 am    Post subject: Conundrum: should I fix this like a Korean or a westerner? Reply with quote

So, I have a bit of a conundrum, and I'm hoping for some advice.

I work for 3 public middle schools in a rural area, and as such, I "belong" to the local education office, though one of the schools is in charge of my pay, and my vacation time, etc, though the supervisor of the education office can, I believe, override them. This is just for background and context.

Here's the deal:

The supervisor of the EO has told me that there will not be camps this January, as our summer ones failed so abysmally that apparently they actually had to pay students to attend. So, when I asked him what I would be doing in that time, he said "I think you can have free time.", i.e., vacation. Now, my contracted vacation is the entire month of February, but I would love to get some of January as well, if that is possible (I do not relish the thought of sitting in an empty school all day). However, when I asked him about my vacation days last week, he said I needed to talk to my main school's principal (the one who signs my checks). I have been hesitant to do so, as while two of my schools love me, that school is really only lukewarm in terms of how they seem to feel about me, and I am sure that they will give me only my alloted days.

But, I may have a bargaining chip, now. My school is now a WEEK LATE on my latest paycheck, and when I looked at my bank statement the other day, I realized that my last three paychecks have been about 400,000won under what they should be.

I am tempted to talk to the principal and play along with the corrupt game that Koreans seem to like to play and tell him that I will not tell the supervisor about these "errors", if he will give me two weeks of vacation in January. But, that might backfire. Alternately, I could tell the supervisor about their errors, and hope that he will offer to talk to my school about my vacation, as an apology (for background, due to the old moldy housing issue (http://jindowaygook.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/huzzah/), he has been instructed by the province to keep me happy, as it caused them to lose face) for the behavior of that school and the EO's lack of proper oversight.

So. What do you think I should do?
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jbpatlanta



Joined: 02 Jun 2007
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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when I looked at my bank statement the other day, I realized that my last three paychecks have been about 400,000won under what they should be.


Just wondering how you did not notice this difference immediately? I always check my balance on my paydays to ensure the amount is correct. If it isn't, I talk to someone the next day.

Anyway, they owe you that money. I would get after it immediately and get the pay you are supposed to get. Then after you have the pay consider the vacation time. There are worse things then having to sit in an empty school all day and watch movies.

I would consider there two separate issues. If you don't correct you pay no then you will continue getting 400.000 won less each month for the rest of your contract.

If I were you, I would get the money that is owed you, tomorrow morning. Then talk about vacation time later. If two weeks off is worth 1.2 million to you than you might consider bargaining.
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waynehead



Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Jongno

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. These are public schools after all, and missed pay is most likely the fault of the school accountant, not the principal, and is also likely due to incompetence not someone trying to screw with ya. I know, I dealt w/ my fair share of it when I worked at a PS.

If that's the case, then you don't have much of a bargaining chip anyway.
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driftingfocus



Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Location: Boston, MA

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jbpatlanta wrote:
Just wondering how you did not notice this difference immediately? I always check my balance on my paydays to ensure the amount is correct. If it isn't, I talk to someone the next day.


Because I don't check. My first two paychecks were fine, and since this is public school, I thought I had no reason to be concerned. I don't use the ATM often, maybe once a week, and I just happened to not use it until yesterday, when I should have gotten paid on Monday.

jbpatlanta wrote:
Anyway, they owe you that money. I would get after it immediately and get the pay you are supposed to get. Then after you have the pay consider the vacation time. There are worse things then having to sit in an empty school all day and watch movies.

I would consider there two separate issues. If you don't correct you pay no then you will continue getting 400.000 won less each month for the rest of your contract.

If I were you, I would get the money that is owed you, tomorrow morning. Then talk about vacation time later. If two weeks off is worth 1.2 million to you than you might consider bargaining.



Did I say anywhere in here about not getting the money? I will get the money, in any of these scenarios. What I am talking about is making a deal with them that if they pay me correctly and give me that vacation time, that I will not say anything to the higher authorities about it. I already got one administrator chewed out by the provincial office, so I may have some sway with this school, if they don't want the same thing to happen to them.
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jbpatlanta



Joined: 02 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did I say anywhere in here about not getting the money?


I see that now, after I read your OP again slower.

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What I am talking about is making a deal with them that if they pay me correctly and give me that vacation time, that I will not say anything to the higher authorities about it. I already got one administrator chewed out by the provincial office, so I may have some sway with this school, if they don't want the same thing to happen to them.


Do you plan to renew and stay at the same schools? If yes your quiet approach is probably best. If not raise hell.
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driftingfocus



Joined: 08 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jbpatlanta wrote:
Do you plan to renew and stay at the same schools? If yes your quiet approach is probably best. If not raise hell.


Nope. I'm just here for a year.
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BS.Dos.



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding January. You didn't mention which days you teach at your main school. If you suspect that they'll insist that you've got to come in and 'prep' etc, then I'd not tell them and simply have the others days off. If you think that they'll let you stay at home etc then tell them.

My situation is kind of similar, but I think I've got a much more cordial relationship with my main HS than it seems you do with yours. I teach at my main HS for 3 1/2 days per week and at my other MS for the remaining 1 1/2 days. Despite my good working relationship with both my schools, if I get an unexpected day/afternoon off etc, which frequently happens at my MS, then I don't tell my HS for the simple reasons that while my HS VP probably wouldn't force me to do any unnecessary 'desk-time' etc, I think it may piss-off my CTs a little. I like to think that what they don't know can't hurt them etc.
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driftingfocus



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BS.Dos. wrote:
Regarding January. You didn't mention which days you teach at your main school. If you suspect that they'll insist that you've got to come in and 'prep' etc, then I'd not tell them and simply have the others days off. If you think that they'll let you stay at home etc then tell them.


I only teach there on Monday and Wednesday, but during the summer vacation, they were going to make me stay there all week, had I not had a provincial obligation elsewhere.
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BS.Dos.



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it's a tough call. I can see your dilemma. Personally, I'd keep schtum about and just go in for your two normal days. You never know, maybe your VP or whomever might cut you some slack. You'll still have February off though right?
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driftingfocus



Joined: 08 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BS.Dos. wrote:
Yeah, it's a tough call. I can see your dilemma. Personally, I'd keep schtum about and just go in for your two normal days. You never know, maybe your VP or whomever might cut you some slack. You'll still have February off though right?


So, just tell them to pay me and don't say anything about vacation?
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Jammer113



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You wrote a bunch of stuff that basically said:

"Should I blackmail my principal in order to get out of doing my normal, assigned work?"

You're ok with that? Are those your values? This isn't a "Korean Culture" vs. "Western Culture". There's plenty of people in both cultures who are ok with blackmail in order to cheat the system. Only the methods and penalties differ by culture. Are you one of those people?


On a slightly seperate issue... if you're not going to have ANY English camp at all.... how about suggesting an English movie class. It's low prep, fun, gets you involved with students and community. No teaching, just watch movies, and maybe write something (in Korean) about what they thought about the movie. You can have someone in the school office go over them to make sure they're not writing anything bad.

It's got a lot better chance at being attended, and it's better than doing nothing. Even suggesting it might raise your standing with your principal (and it might help your principal too). Then, if you want, you can say "How about I go home after the movie class?"
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driftingfocus



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jammer113 wrote:
You wrote a bunch of stuff that basically said:

"Should I blackmail my principal in order to get out of doing my normal, assigned work?"


If by assigned work you mean walking laps around the school grounds, sure.

Jammer113 wrote:
You're ok with that? Are those your values? This isn't a "Korean Culture" vs. "Western Culture". There's plenty of people in both cultures who are ok with blackmail in order to cheat the system. Only the methods and penalties differ by culture. Are you one of those people?


In the US? No. Here? Yes, after the way I have been treated in the past by my school (during which I was more than patient), which included, at one point, them blackmailing me, so...turnabout is fair play, in my book.

Jammer113 wrote:
On a slightly seperate issue... if you're not going to have ANY English camp at all.... how about suggesting an English movie class. It's low prep, fun, gets you involved with students and community. No teaching, just watch movies, and maybe write something (in Korean) about what they thought about the movie. You can have someone in the school office go over them to make sure they're not writing anything bad.

It's got a lot better chance at being attended, and it's better than doing nothing. Even suggesting it might raise your standing with your principal (and it might help your principal too). Then, if you want, you can say "How about I go home after the movie class?"


They wouldn't be able to get anyone to attend. If they had to *pay* the students to attend a 3 hour a day summer camp, I doubt they would get anyone to come to one of those. These kids haaaaate school, and many of them have to take a 45+ minute bus ride each way. The last thing they want to do is sit in school.

Also, without anyone else in the school...I'm not quite sure how this would work.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am tempted to talk to the principal and play along with the corrupt game that Koreans seem to like to play and tell him that I will not tell the supervisor about these "errors", if he will give me two weeks of vacation in January.


Just for conversations sake, why do you think the supervisor would care if you were paid late, and why would he go to bat for you?
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driftingfocus



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paji eh Wong wrote:
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I am tempted to talk to the principal and play along with the corrupt game that Koreans seem to like to play and tell him that I will not tell the supervisor about these "errors", if he will give me two weeks of vacation in January.


Just for conversations sake, why do you think the supervisor would care if you were paid late, and why would he go to bat for you?


Because he's nice, he has gone out of his way to do things for me before, and he has been told by the provincial director to keep me happy, after what happened with me living in the moldy pit of doom (seriously, the walls were actually black).
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cobright



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Rochester Hills, MI

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going to suggest putting together an alternative summer program. The idea of a film class is stellar. Other options, maybe do a play. English vocabulary through literature is an option. Like shakespeare or the Fight Club novel. Just something cool to change your esl gears a little.

Think of some value YOU can bring to your situation instead of looking for what you can get out of it. Make it seem like it's your bosses idea. "I like what you said at the meeting on [whatever] and was thinking along those lines myself... do you think a summer [whatever] program would fly? Maybe pitch the idea arround and see what other people think, I would be happy to run a [drama/lit/film/whatever] during that time.

Then after he blows a happy-gasket, Ask for a reasonable amount of time off. But christ, you already get like a month off.
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