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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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 Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:33 am Post subject: Ought the US give in to Iran's / Al Qaeda's Demands? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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I thought GWB was the only one who mixed up al Qaeda and Iran!!
Sunni and Shia same-same you think? THEM?
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Ought the US give in to Iran's / Al Qaeda's Demands? |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Anything to avoid war |
Go to the battlefield or be a hypocrite. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Depends on what the demands are. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Iran and Al Queda want different things. Some of them are likely contradictory. Joo ought to know better than posting a poll as lame as this. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Both AQ and Iran demand that :
The US not have trade and diplomatic ties with counties they don't approve of, and that the US not vote at UN is ways they don't approve of.
And they seek to power project in order to use oil as a weapon to force the US to do the above. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
I thought GWB was the only one who mixed up al Qaeda and Iran!!
Sunni and Shia same-same you think? THEM?
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Actually Iran has sometimes helped Al Qaeda |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:14 am Post subject: |
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9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
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| Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran |
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
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9/11 Panel Links Al Qaeda, Iran
Bin Laden May Have Part in Khobar Towers, Report Says
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 26, 2004; Page A12
While it found no operational ties between al Qaeda and Iraq, the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks has concluded that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network had long-running contacts with Iraq's neighbor and historic foe, Iran.
Al Qaeda, the commission determined, may even have played a "yet unknown role" in aiding Hezbollah militants in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers complex in Saudi Arabia, an attack the United States has long blamed solely on Hezbollah and its Iranian sponsors |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6581-2004Jun25.html
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Is there a link between Mugniyah and al-Qaeda?
Mugniyah met with al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in the mid-1990s, according to the court testimony of Ali Abdelsoud Mohammed, a naturalized U.S. citizen and former U.S. army sergeant who later became a senior aide to bin Laden. After his arrest in 1998 in connection with the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, Mohammed testified that he arranged several meetings between bin Laden and Mugniyah in Sudan. Bin Laden reportedly admired Mugniyah's tactics, particularly his use of truck bombs, which precipitated the United States' withdrawal from Lebanon. According to Mohammed, bin Laden and Mugniyah agreed Hezbollah would provide training, military expertise, and explosives in exchange for money and man power. It is not known, however, whether this agreement was carried out. The relationship between Hezbollah and al-Qaeda is not entirely friendly, as explained in this Backgrounder. |
http://www.cfr.org/publication/11317/#8 |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:45 am Post subject: |
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I think everyone would like to see these demands printed out on official Al Qaeda/Iranian Republic Letterhead with the date that the demands were approved by the AQ/IR Central Committee and the signatures of the Supreme Mugwumps of said organization.
This would have to be issued in both Arabic and Farsi, of course, and we'd need to see an official English translation as well.
Please Joo, can you print this document for us?
Just download it from the Joo:imaginary Boogieman.file. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| Well, they would again prefer proxies and blackmail. The fact that Iran can take control of the Gulf�s oil resources ostensibly puts them in charge of the world�s economy. You might argue that the American military will be there to prevent this, but that�s provided we stay. But you need the military to do this. Do we want to put a million troops in the region to contain Iran and police the Middle East? And engaging the Iranians would be difficult, because any action we undertake could result in a form of proxy retaliation. One of these measures could be shutting down the world�s oil supply. We�re up against a regime with advanced capabilities in guerilla warfare, an extensive network of blackmail and an unassailable message: �We are being colonized!� |
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2008/10/interview_with_robert_baer.html |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Yes, yes, Baer is selling a book.
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| http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2008/10/interview_with_robert_baer.html |
But, where is this document outlining these demands? What are they specifically?
Is this just your bugbaer? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: |
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-10-13-iran-united-states_N.htm
Put it together with this:
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| Well, they would again prefer proxies and blackmail. The fact that Iran can take control of the Gulf�s oil resources ostensibly puts them in charge of the world�s economy. You might argue that the American military will be there to prevent this, but that�s provided we stay. But you need the military to do this. Do we want to put a million troops in the region to contain Iran and police the Middle East? And engaging the Iranians would be difficult, because any action we undertake could result in a form of proxy retaliation. One of these measures could be shutting down the world�s oil supply. We�re up against a regime with advanced capabilities in guerilla warfare, an extensive network of blackmail and an unassailable message: �We are being colonized!� |
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2008/10/interview_with_robert_baer.html |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Both AQ and Iran demand that :
The US not have trade and diplomatic ties with counties they don't approve of, and that the US not vote at UN is ways they don't approve of. |
This sounds a lot like the US foreign policy toward N Korea, and Cuba ... and I didn't know that Al Queda had a seat at the UN. Thanks for delivering that news, old friend. 
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| And they seek to power project in order to use oil as a weapon to force the US to do the above. |
Can you think of an example of a particular instance when either Al Queda or Iran used oil as a weapon in this way?
Oh, and you know this forum is for CURRENT Events ... so why are you showing us links from 4 years ago? Is there some recent event this is related to?
There are alternatives to "giving in" to our enemies that don't involve bombing conquering and occupying nations thousands of miles from our shore.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: |
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[quote="The Bobster"][
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| This sounds a lot like the US foreign policy toward N Korea, and Cuba ... and I didn't know that Al Queda had a seat at the UN. Thanks for delivering that news, old friend. |
It goes with what AQ wants and what they blame the US for.
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| Can you think of an example of a particular instance when either Al Queda or Iran used oil as a weapon in this way? |
If they got the oil you think they wouldn't?
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| Oh, and you know this forum is for CURRENT Events ... so why are you showing us links from 4 years ago? Is there some recent event this is related to? |
A few wanted proof of a connnection between Al Qaeda and Iran. Ought to i just have not answered?
Anyway I am just curious what I curious on what you think US policy ought to be in regards to Iran and Al Qaeda?
Yes alternative energy is a good idea, so is a cure for cancer. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: |
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175 hits. 5 votes.
Way to hit it out of the park, Joo.
Were you bored? |
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