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ReeseDog

Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified

Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject:

Justin Hale wrote:

I say let the Iranians live, but as for Somalia (and Sudan), hotbeds as they are of female genital mutilation and other barbarisms against girls, I'm trying here, I'm really trying to think of a reason to tolerate their existence, but I just cannot for the life of me think of one.

I'm with you there - FGM is just horrible. Okay, Iran can live until just before it produces its first nuke. Israel will handle that one anyway.

CentralCali

Joined: 17 May 2007

Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject:

I'm curious if it was a sharia court or a "tribal" court that carried out this disgrace? If it's the latter, then blaming a system of jurisprudence that was ignored doesn't make sense.

ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005

Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject:

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The silence of DD on this one is deafening.

And so what do you want me to say? I've started many threads on Somalia with the same effect -- THEM bad, WE good. Yet, we disregard how many have been killed by the donation of used U.S. military weaponry which is everywhere in the country....

Of course this is horrific. But I don't see the solution being us having to go in there and impose "what's right". The best way to change Somalia is to give them a chance to live in peace - their views will change.

I'd like to link a recent article I read on this - I'll find it tonight. By a long time Somali journalist who writes how he has never in his long time in the country seen such a rise of anti-Americanism - fanatical. All because of the U.S. support for the Ethiopian occupiers. Wrong course of action for America and it represents just another "stupidity" of this administration.

Somalis in general are very open to the world, great wheelers and dealers and traders. They know what is going on. Unfortunately they are choosing the devil they know over a devil that has been imposed.

What I'd like to hear from people on here is NOT how barbaric, savage, backward Somalis are. They aren't. What I'd like to hear is what we could be doing for all the children dying by the hundreds every day. This is far worse than Darfur -- from what I read and see and know. What can we do besides offering more weapons?

DD
http://eflclassroom.ning.com

caniff

Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:10 am Post subject:

ddeubel wrote:

What I'd like to hear from people on here is NOT how barbaric, savage, backward Somalis are. They aren't.

Obviously some Somalis are all of those things. That would include the perpetrators of this vile act as well as those in the crowd who showed up to check out the fun.

ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:59 am Post subject:

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Obviously some Somalis are all of those things. That would include the perpetrators of this vile act as well as those in the crowd who showed up to check out the fun.

Point taken. But every culture has these types in abundance - types that follow the crowd and get jollies from pain and torture. Ever watch UFC or think about the thousands of kid's camps teaching 8 year olds to punch the hell and "kill" the "other"?

I'll also add - if the U.S. opened up its torture sessions to the public (and many innocents have been tortured and killed), you'd get football stadiums going. What's missing in Somalia and what America has is a legal system that does not allow that to happen. That's the problem, not one nationality being more or less barbaric than the other.

DD

On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:26 am Post subject:

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say let the Iranians live, but as for Somalia (and Sudan), hotbeds as they are of female genital mutilation and other barbarisms against girls, I'm trying here, I'm really trying to think of a reason to tolerate their existence, but I just cannot for the life of me think of one.

Well, for starters, saying that we're not gonna let the Somalis live in peace because of FMG would logically dictate that we can't let the entire central region of Africa live in peace either.

http://tinyurl.com/6jeynu

You'll notice that Ethiopia, the sainted liberator of Somalia, is right in the thick of things when it comes to FGM.

So what would be the plan here? Invade and occupy the entire region to end FGM?

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caniff

Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:39 am Post subject:

ddeubel wrote:

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Obviously some Somalis are all of those things. That would include the perpetrators of this vile act as well as those in the crowd who showed up to check out the fun.

Yeah, there are some Americans that wouldn't be beyond participating in disgusting group behavior (although it wouldn't be for a violation of sharia law). There are plenty of historical examples of mob mentality taking over.

The fact remains that Somalia is a failed, lawless hellhole without any discernible redeeming qualities. And as an aside, their piracy should be dealt with by blowing any Somali vessel out of the water as soon as it nears another country's vessel. Let Allah deal with them.

ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:06 am Post subject:

Here is an excerpt from an article about Somalia written in my weekend paper....really details how dismal has been the intervention by the Americans in Somali affairs. .... once more they feed the fire.

I'm still looking for the Mohamed Amin Sheik Adow interview/article. He knows and has lived there and fled for his life to Kenya because of the "govt"..... brave journalist.

[/url=http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/04/opinion/edvonhippel.php]Somalia, Republic of Blowback[url]

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More blowback may be on the horizon. The listing of the shabaab as a terrorist group could attract foreign recruits and funding for the shabaab, who publicly expressed delight at being placed on the U.S. list. For a group that not long ago was little more than a small band of gunmen with vague Islamist credentials, this constitutes a major promotion. A number of international jihadist Web sites now include Somalia on their list of battleground states.

No one can claim to have a simple solution to Somalia's wicked problems of warlordism, state collapse, radicalization and humanitarian disaster.

But by any reasonable yardstick, U.S. counter-terrorism policies in Somalia have fallen far short of their objectives.

They have been part of a deadly combination of ill-conceived interventions by a number of external actors that have produced a situation in which all concerned parties - the United States, our ally Ethiopia, international aid agencies and the Somali people - are far less secure than they were a few years ago.

That alone should prompt a complete overhaul of U.S. foreign policy in the Horn of Africa and make Somalia a higher priority for the next administration in Washington.

DD
http://eflclassroom.ning.com[/url]

caniff

Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:28 am Post subject:

ddeubel wrote:

But by any reasonable yardstick, U.S. counter-terrorism policies in Somalia have fallen far short of their objectives.

They have been part of a deadly combination of ill-conceived interventions by a number of external actors that have produced a situation in which all concerned parties - the United States, our ally Ethiopia, international aid agencies and the Somali people - are far less secure than they were a few years ago.

It seems the U.S. isn't the only actor having a tough time trying to figure out what to do with the basketcase that is Somalia.

Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject:

On the other hand wrote:

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I'd much rather not have seen the map, frankly, but since you ask, modern-day thermonukes can deliver total annihilation with minimal radioactive fallout for the rest of us. This seems prima facie preferable to an invasion.

saw6436

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon, ROK

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject:

Somalia. Seal the boarders. Give the militas better weapons and training. Let them sort their own problems out. I wash my hands of Africa.

rusty1983

Joined: 30 Jan 2007

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:32 am Post subject:

CentralCali wrote:

I'm curious if it was a sharia court or a "tribal" court that carried out this disgrace? If it's the latter, then blaming a system of jurisprudence that was ignored doesn't make sense.

Most likely it is just the way it goes down in one of the world's most f-ed up countries. Utterly sickening but you cannot paint all Muslims with this brush.

Did anyone see that there have been Sharia Courts set up in the UK? I was shocked but you won't see people getting stoned to death etc.

CentralCali

Joined: 17 May 2007

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:54 am Post subject:

rusty1983 wrote:

CentralCali wrote:

I'm curious if it was a sharia court or a "tribal" court that carried out this disgrace? If it's the latter, then blaming a system of jurisprudence that was ignored doesn't make sense.

Most likely it is just the way it goes down in one of the world's most f-ed up countries. Utterly sickening but you cannot paint all Muslims with this brush.

I'm not painting anybody with any brush whatsoever. I asked if it really were a Sharia court that ordered the stoning. If it had been another type of court, then it's ridiculous to blame Sharia courts for something they weren't even involved in.

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Did anyone see that there have been Sharia Courts set up in the UK? I was shocked but you won't see people getting stoned to death etc.

That's because they're essentially arbitration courts, not criminal courts.

head-in-the-clouds

Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: London for now

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:02 am Post subject:

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head-in-the-clouds

Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: London for now

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:02 am Post subject:

This is why george Bush should have another four years. Rid the world of Islam

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