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Ekaia



Joined: 31 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:11 am    Post subject: Korean and its impact on your everyday life Reply with quote

Do you speak Korean?
Does it give you a better understanding of the culture we're in?

Has your everyday life changed for the better as a result of your knowledge of Korean? Like career-wise or branching out?

I've heard Korean is one of the most challenging languages for us English-speakers to pick up....
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know squat Very Happy

other than the names of hundreds of korean dishes i've tried and enjoyed and the names of over a dozen islands and a hundred beaches I've enjoyed and a few extra words beyond please and thank you

it's been a very pleasant six years here for me and i expect to enjoy another year or two of travel and friendships with english speaking locals

then i'll leave this country behind and have lots of great things to say about it, and i'll be saying it all in english
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:18 am    Post subject: Re: Korean and its impact on your everyday life Reply with quote

Ekaia wrote:

Do you speak Korean?

Yes.
Ekaia wrote:

Does it give you a better understanding of the culture we're in?

Uh, yes.
Ekaia wrote:

Has your everyday life changed for the better as a result of your knowledge of Korean?

See above.
Ekaia wrote:

Like career-wise or branching out?

What?
Ekaia wrote:

I've heard Korean is one of the most challenging languages for us English-speakers to pick up....

I have heard the same.
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This topic is pretty general, so I'll answer likewise...

If you're going to stay here a while, a good knowledge of korean will open many doors. If I didn't know Korean, my situation would be far worse than it is now - which means that I would likely not be living in Korea.

I didn't really put that much effort into it, but I guess the motivation initially was... that I didn't want to feel like a baby. I hated feeling helpless and having others always doing things for me. I wanted empowerment, damnit!

Now, I'm empowered! Life here is great!
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Join Me



Joined: 14 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IlIlNine maybe joking but there is something to the empowerment issue. I am not fluent in Korean yet but I now speak enough that I can get anything done that I need to. Occasionally I still ask Korean friends to help me out if I don't want extra stress on a particular day. But, it is also a great feeling to know you can get any job done on your own here. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be depending upon the people I work with for anything. It also still kinda blows me away to be able to communicate with someone who can't speak any English other than "hi" and "bye, bye.""
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learning any language at any time is a good thing to do. The people who don't stay in Korea very long will go back to their hometowns and start to notice all sorts of signs of Korean culture there.
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Css



Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: South of the river

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I speak a bit of korean..and yes it helps immensely.
I cant imagine being in korea and not being able to speak more than a few basic phrases. It must be so frustrating having to hope that the korean you are talking to can speak english.

Sounds like a small thing but the small conversations with taxi drivers or bank tellers or whatever...thats what always makes me smile...When i can flirt with a cute bank teller or joke around with a taxi driver about the other bad drivers..those kind of small things make me appreciate things more.
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mssinmymind



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Learning any language at any time is a good thing to do.


Very true.

Knowledge is always better so why not learn to speak a bit of the language even if you're planning on only staying the one year. What would it hurt to be able to communicate....
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umpittse



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
i know squat Very Happy

other than the names of hundreds of korean dishes i've tried and enjoyed and the names of over a dozen islands and a hundred beaches I've enjoyed and a few extra words beyond please and thank you

it's been a very pleasant six years here for me and i expect to enjoy another year or two of travel and friendships with english speaking locals

then i'll leave this country behind and have lots of great things to say about it, and i'll be saying it all in english


LOL!
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shoeboy



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you like studying language do it. Otherwise don't worry about it.
I know very little and it hasn't stopped me from getting anything done at all. At first it seems like a nessesity but after a month or two you can get almost anything done without it. If you plan to live in Korea for awhile you may want to spend the countless hours studying the language but if you are only here for a year or two there isn't any real point. Most people spend all their social time hanging out with other English speakers so you don't need it there. You don't need it to buy food, get a cab, do your job, buy smokes, buy beer, etc. After Korea you won't be using it.
Maybe once a month there would be a situation where it would have been nice to know. Not worth the time for that little use.
So if you enjoy it do it but it isn't needed.
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Ekaia



Joined: 31 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I hear you.

As most of my friends here are Korean I feel obliged in a way to make an effort to learn the local language. Can't always expect to get by on English Smile

What are some good websites for Korean self study?
I checked out koreanclass101.com, they let you download mp3 files for free but everything else is for members.

I don't have the time to to take regular classes, yet...
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

www.korean.sogang.co.kr

It has its issues, but is a pretty comprehensive self study resource.

KoreanClass101 is available for download via bittorrent. Check the major sites.

As to those who advise against learning the language, you don't know what you're missing. Sure, reaching a decent level is hard work, but it pays off so many times over.

Think about the disadvantages you would face if you didn't speak English at home - that's what it is like here if you don't speak Korean. Sadly, many foreigners here have no idea what it's like to be able to speak the language, and therefore how no idea what they're missing.

You can give all the excuses you want (and there are some decent ones, like not being able to speak Korean at work where you spend the majority of your time) but when it comes down to it, failure to learn Korean is your fault and yours alone, and shows that you are lazy, and imo, a bit arrogant.
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MollyBloom



Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The source of most frustration for me being here is not being as fluent as I would like. I get very upset when I cannot communicate with people, but also I seem to make "friends" easily. I am a regular at a galbi place, and the owner really likes me. He speaks some English, but not enough to converse with me. I would love to ask him so many questions, but I am not at that point yet. Same thing with my adjumma "friends" at my neighborhood KimBapChungGuk. They always hook me up with free kimbap, and I bring them apples and other little treats, things for holidays, etc. It's frustrating not being able to carry on conversations with them. And yet the same with the couple that owns the corner market. I hate just walking in, saying hello, asking how she is, etc. but not being able to carry it where I want it to go. I'm doing the best I can with the time I have, but I will be very happy when I can talk to people a bit more.
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Css



Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: South of the river

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shoeboy wrote:
If you like studying language do it. Otherwise don't worry about it.
I know very little and it hasn't stopped me from getting anything done at all. At first it seems like a nessesity but after a month or two you can get almost anything done without it. If you plan to live in Korea for awhile you may want to spend the countless hours studying the language but if you are only here for a year or two there isn't any real point. Most people spend all their social time hanging out with other English speakers so you don't need it there. You don't need it to buy food, get a cab, do your job, buy smokes, buy beer, etc. After Korea you won't be using it.
Maybe once a month there would be a situation where it would have been nice to know. Not worth the time for that little use.
So if you enjoy it do it but it isn't needed.


Most people who cannot speak korean spend all their social time hanging out with other english speakers. If you could speak korean well, you would probably be able to find korean friends to hang out with too.

and sure, you dont NEED it to do any of those things you mentioned at the very basic level...but if you actually want to do anything beyond the very minimum. If you actually want any information about the things you are buying etc, then korean comes in very handy. If you actually want to take a cab to somewhere which involves giving directions, it comes in handy. If you wanna get on better with your co workers, it comes in handy.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Css wrote:
Most people who cannot speak korean spend all their social time hanging out with other english speakers. If you could speak korean well, you would probably be able to find korean friends to hang out with too.

Question I made friends with Koreans who speak English. Sure, years later it's evident that most of them were just using the relationship as a means of practicing their language skills but locals came out of the woodwork to make me feel welcome and comfortable, going on weekend drives in the country, out for dinner whenever, giving cell phone numbers and tripping over themselves to help any time I had a question or a problem. When all was said and done only two of about twenty Korean friends who speak English actually remain friends today (though another half dozen keep in touch and readily chat by phone). But every Korean I've associated with has been nice to talk to and of good attitude. I have had a thousand questions about Korean culture and history and perspective answered for me by Koreans communicating in English. I feel connected enough. I'm sure not regretting not being able to watch t.v. I've watched plenty of Korean movies on DVD with English subtitles and read most books about Korea in English. Maybe if I stayed here more than another year or two longer I might see the advantage of learning the Korean language but over the last six years I certainly have met a lot of locals, travelled to many parts of the country, and learned a lot about this country and its people in an enjoyable way. The only bad attitude I've encountered among Koreans who speak English are cab drivers and immigration officers.

The only time I have felt the desire to have known the language really has been with a couple of the very old folk, especially the ones who do acts of kindness and I've had to use just a smile and a gumsa humnida.
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